• Maple Engineer@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

    far-right

    Russia - Check, China - Check, North Korea - Check

    authoritarian

    Russia - Check, China - Check, North Korea - Check

    utranationalist

    Russia - Check, China - Check, North Korea - Check

    dictatorial leader

    Russia - Check, China - Check, North Korea - Check

    central autocracy

    Russia - Check, China - Check, North Korea - Check

    militarism

    Russia - Check, China - Check, North Korea - Check

    forcible suppression of opposition

    Russia - Check, China - Check, North Korea - Check

    belief in a natural social hierarchy

    Russia - Check, China - Check, North Korea - Check

    subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race,

    Russia - Check, China - Check, North Korea - Check

    strong regimentation of society and the economy.

    Russia - Check, China - Check, North Korea - Check

    Sorry…what is it about these fascist dictatorships that you think isn’t fascist dictatorship?

    • comfy@lemmy.ml
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      3 months ago

      1) Ideologies are frameworks which guide actions, not a list of symptoms.

      Ideologies are formed by material conditions in history, not just a group of ideas put together. That’s why neoliberalism and fascism are also distinct, despite all the surface-level similarities we can see around the world.

      Fascism wasn’t just invented by someone saying ‘why doesn’t one person have all the power and get rid of minorities’. Fascism grew out of the conditions of the 1910s in Europe during a wave of socialist and communist uprisings which threatened the bourgeois, quelled by returning soldiers from WWI. That’s why it’s militaristic and ultranationalist, that’s why it’s anti-communist and anti-liberal.

      1. This list ignores other core traits, including those listed in the very next sentence after that quote, such as anti-communism anti-liberalism and anti-democratic ideas, class collaborationist, traditionalism w/ selective modernism, primary support base among the petit bourgeois, denouncement of ‘[haute] bourgeois capitalism’ despite often working alongside the haute booj to subdue the lower class.

      Fascism is born out of anti-communist sentiment in the petit-bourgeoisie (lower owning class), while two of those countries are ruled by communist parties. Russia is a haute-bourgeoisie capitalist state, not class collaborationist or petit-bourgious. China and North Korea openly dominate the haute booj rather than vice versa. Contrast these all against fascist states.

      1. Saying ‘Check’ for cases which clearly don’t check:
      • The CPC (‘socialism with Chinese characteristics’) and WPK (Juche) are not far-right. They’re both generally considered far-left, and certainly not far-right (FWIW, ‘left’ and ‘right’ are a poor model for understanding politics).

      • Ultranationalism is not ‘lots of nationalism’, it’s when a country “asserts or maintains detrimental hegemony, supremacy, or other forms of control over other nations (usually through violent coercion) to pursue its specific interests.” North Korea clearly doesn’t have control over other nations.

      • China does not believe in militaristism.

      • What natural social hierarchy do these states believe in?

      • Russia is individualist, not collectivist.

      • What regimentation is there?

      Some of those other points are debatable (such as congress party structures with a president being dictatorships, where fascists explicitly denounce that as liberalism), but these are some which are just blatant.