I hate them so fucking much.
I honestly want the government to give in to them, let them have their “soverignty” and remove all protections they have under the law. So that its perfectly legal for me to just decide I want their car and its up to them to stop me. Cops will.just stand there going “Sorry, cant do anything. You are your own country and I cant get involved.”
Ever had to deal with the police? Because that’s pretty much been my.experience with them.
The only thing a cop has ever actually done for me was signing a police report so I could pass it on to the insurance company and get my claim processed.
Lucky! I got told to file a report of the incident to them and then use that for my claim.
That’s more than usual. In my town they don’t even write an accident report unless someone dies.
That’s called outlawry, and it was actually one of the harshest punishments you could receive in Roman times and the middle ages. Outlawry isn’t nearly as cool as Clint Eastwood made it out to be.
Their seasoned salt is pretty good tho
Declare them sovereign and then state they are enemy combatants invading, the war won’t be long.
Some days I think literally outlawing people, in the historical sense, might be a good idea.
The problem is they can already get away for pretending that’s the way the world is for an unfortunately long time sometimes.
https://www.insider.com/sovereign-citizens-moved-into-15-million-mansion-in-maryland-2021-7
Just write ∞ on line 4b of the W-4…
You write exempt in one of the boxes. They’ve hidden the part where it tells you which one. You can look it up, but its not stated clearly on the form anymore.
But you still have to pay taxes if you owe them, and you have to pay a penalty if they didn’t withhold enough. But if you’re poor enough you don’t owe federal income taxes you can avoid giving the IRS an interest free loan if you file your form properly.
The US learned what happens if taxes are actually voluntary during the days of the articles of confederation. Results were predictable.
This is an actually useful answer for an otherwise crazy conversation. If you are poor, and have kids, you probably don’t owe any money at the end of the year. Most poor people actually get money at the end of the year that they didn’t even pay, from child tax credits, earned income credit, and the standard deductions. If you fall into that category then you are better off filing as exempt, so that you don’t loan the government money interest free, just like you said. Those few extra bucks every week really matter when you’re below the poverty line.
When we were poor, we looked at it as a sort of yearly savings account. We weren’t so poor that we couldn’t afford to have taxes taken out, so it worked out pretty well. Every time we got our refund check, we were able to do something like get the car fixed.
But you can save that money yourself, earn interest on it, and have access to it should you need it. I think it’s the “have access to it” part that messes up most people. It’s damned near impossible to save money when you’re poor.
It’s hard to save it when you have it in your pocket and interest is irrelevant if you spend it all within a year.
Anyone that really wants to do this can just put a really high number of deductions on their W2. It’s an estimate. For most people you’re trying to get close enough that you either get a small refund or owe a small bit. For these guys obviously they’re trying to make their withholding come out to $0.
Dude works to hard to waste his time on logical thought.
I went down this rabbit hole years back. Was looking for any possible way to not pay taxes so I wouldn’t be funding international wars and empire and such. Of course the arguments are all pseudolegal nonsense, since the bottom line is that the state makes and enforces the law.
Would have gladly taken an option to donate to charity the same amount of money that would have been taken.
Today I was once again reminded that Facebook still exists and people still use it for some reason.
Obviously these guys are idiots, but it would be nice if I had a better idea of what my taxes are actually going to pay for, because I do sometimes think they just vanish into the void and I never see the benefit from them, so I kind of get where they’re coming from
your username suggests you’re in the UK.
So a) you already get a breakdown of NI contributions etc in you paystub and you can further check this on HMRC
and b) the house of Commons publishes everything tax related here: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/topic/economy-business/work-incomes/tax/
and c) there is Wall to Wall coverage of the budget every year, highlighted by the traditional annual photos of the chancellor of the exchequer and his red briefcase, in mid March when the tax year ends
If you live in the US: https://www.usaspending.gov/
If not, search for a “your country budget breakdown”. Most democratic nations will have a similar publication.
My take after looking it over, it’s boring. We spend money on medical care, defense, and interest payments. That’s where most all of the money goes. The benefits we receive from that money are things we completely take for granted, it’s easy to not notice them but you sure would notice if it stopped.
In Australia we get a receipt with our tax return that breaks down exactly where our tax dollars went. The same happens in France if I remember correctly, it’s pretty cool to see it and puts some of the spending into perspective
Actually, there is a way to get the tax withholding set to 0. You have to pay when it comes to tax time though. You can alter your witholdings also so that your take home pay is more, but your tax return would be less. If you’re really interested, I’d talk to an accountant ar a tax professional though. Also, just to make sure I’m not misunderstood, you still have to pay taxes to the govt, it’s just a lump sum instead of being taken out every month.
I don’t know for sure that this applies federally, but in my municipality you have to make estimated payments throughout the year if you don’t have them deducted from your pay. My employer made a mistake and didn’t withhold local taxes, and when I paid in a lump sum a fine was assessed.
Thats how dumb sov cits are. They don’t get that you can just claim 12 dependents…sure it’s fraud, but they don’t think laws are real so 🤷♂️
MORE POLICE, BACK THE BLUE!! ^less ^taxes ^for ^me ^and ^you
