Sodom and Gomorrah deserved it, it was made clear in that by Lot existing. Everyone in the flood also deserved it, apart from Noah which is why Noah was saved. The “children” weren’t innocent or else God wouldn’t have killed them.
Judging from all your other replies in this thread, your stance is that:
Good deities don’t cause pain and suffering.
God did, but he was justified because they were all evil.
Maybe he killed a bunch of innocent people too, but he sent them to heaven, so it’s fine.
That’s some olympic-level mental gymnastics. I hope that, one day, you’ll think back to this discussion and realize your hypocrisy and free yourself from the religion of a god that has committed genocide multiple times, gatekeeps eternal life behind the worship of an evil entity and threatens all the others with eternal damnation for the only “sin” of not thinking like him.
Killing people is wrong, even if they are evil. It becomes even worse when it’s not a single homicide, but a large scale genocide of people whose majority (but not all) are evil.
You are living proof that religion is mental disorder and Abrahamic religions should be utterly abolished with extreme prejudice. You are the evil this world needs cleansing of.
I disagree with the notion that religion is a mental disorder. I myself don’t subscribe to religion or the notion of a god, but you need to be careful with how you say things like this as this will feed into christian feelings of persecution. This kind of rhetoric is exactly what the christian god has done. Cleanse the unbelievers because they’re evil. Do not commit the same failure that this other guy is. We can’t commit the same crimes as the proposed yaweh and think ourselves morally superior.
Hear hear. I’m often disturbed by how many upvotes these comments that show hate towards religious people in general get, and as much as I hate blocking people, I often block the posters on sight. I guarantee that if I still followed that religion, and heard someone say my beliefs were a mental disorder, it would do nothing to change my mind. In fact, depending on what phase I stayed in, I might decide to retaliate by spamming more threads with proselytizing in hopes of getting an even worse reaction to confirm that all nonreligious people are like that, that they were the ones who needed to change or be eliminated.
I’d like to know what your definition of mental disorder is as that may make it clearer where our disagreement lies. My definition would be a condition that has a clinical effect on a persons psychological well-being as diagnosed by a professional using the DSM as diagnostic standards.
One of those things in the DSM is a steadfast belief in something that clearly is not true and can be repeatedly disproven. Patient remains firm in his delusion.
“God spoke to me” is an auditory hallucination. The religion’s founder was literally going to stab his son to death over this.
The christian persecution complex is a primary reason for abolition of Abrahamic religions. That complex is caused by the religion itself; it’s literally written into their canon. You’re advocating for spoiling and enabling an unruly child.
I’m not saying I’m feeding into their persecution complex. I was saying that you are. Telling them that the religion they identify so strongly with should be destroyed just makes them feel justified in their belief.
I don’t think that it is circular.
They believe they are being persecuted>someone does something that feels like persecution to them>they feel they have confirmed their persecution.
Im not saying it makes sense. It just is how I’ve seen it and even experienced it when i was a mormon.
Agreed, that does happen. It’s because christians are primed to believe that outside questioning if it is done in an aggressive way is persecution. Thats why they shut down and won’t hear your arguments when you come at them in an aggressive way.
In any genocide, the perpetrators always have a ‘reason’. They’ll always be able to tell you that the people that were killed deserved it, and that it needed to happen, and that the world is now better off etc. etc. But saying it and thinking it doesn’t make it true. God can spew out justification for genocide all day. But why would I just take the word of a murderer? Especially if they are a super-powerful being who no-doubt had all sorts of other options available to them. Why would I take their word that suffering and death and destruction is justified when it is done by them - but not by others? And God doesn’t even bother to attempt to explain or talk about that to me. I just hear it from you, and other fans… which makes it even less reliable.
Sodom and Gomorrah deserved it, it was made clear in that by Lot existing. Everyone in the flood also deserved it, apart from Noah which is why Noah was saved. The “children” weren’t innocent or else God wouldn’t have killed them.
“Good deities don’t intentionally cause pain and suffering. Unless it’s God, in which case mass genocide and killing children is perfectly justified.”
All of them were perfectly valid circumstances, lol
This makes you stance on abortion even funnier.
We’re not God so we don’t have authority to take a life (unless if it was to save another)
Dude, it’s all gods will - she is just acting through abortions to prevent future Sodom.
Judging from all your other replies in this thread, your stance is that:
That’s some olympic-level mental gymnastics. I hope that, one day, you’ll think back to this discussion and realize your hypocrisy and free yourself from the religion of a god that has committed genocide multiple times, gatekeeps eternal life behind the worship of an evil entity and threatens all the others with eternal damnation for the only “sin” of not thinking like him.
Killing people is wrong, even if they are evil. It becomes even worse when it’s not a single homicide, but a large scale genocide of people whose majority (but not all) are evil.
Do you realize that you’re justifying genocide on the pretence that people you never knew “deserved it”?
God knew them though. And it wasn’t because of their race, but because of what they did.
Also, how was Sodom and Gomorrah ‘genocide’? It had nothing to do with race
You are living proof that religion is mental disorder and Abrahamic religions should be utterly abolished with extreme prejudice. You are the evil this world needs cleansing of.
I disagree with the notion that religion is a mental disorder. I myself don’t subscribe to religion or the notion of a god, but you need to be careful with how you say things like this as this will feed into christian feelings of persecution. This kind of rhetoric is exactly what the christian god has done. Cleanse the unbelievers because they’re evil. Do not commit the same failure that this other guy is. We can’t commit the same crimes as the proposed yaweh and think ourselves morally superior.
Hear hear. I’m often disturbed by how many upvotes these comments that show hate towards religious people in general get, and as much as I hate blocking people, I often block the posters on sight. I guarantee that if I still followed that religion, and heard someone say my beliefs were a mental disorder, it would do nothing to change my mind. In fact, depending on what phase I stayed in, I might decide to retaliate by spamming more threads with proselytizing in hopes of getting an even worse reaction to confirm that all nonreligious people are like that, that they were the ones who needed to change or be eliminated.
Normal brains do not suffer from constant persecution complexes. This complex is literally written into the canon. It is, in fact, a mental disorder.
See also “the War on Christmas”
I’d like to know what your definition of mental disorder is as that may make it clearer where our disagreement lies. My definition would be a condition that has a clinical effect on a persons psychological well-being as diagnosed by a professional using the DSM as diagnostic standards.
One of those things in the DSM is a steadfast belief in something that clearly is not true and can be repeatedly disproven. Patient remains firm in his delusion.
“God spoke to me” is an auditory hallucination. The religion’s founder was literally going to stab his son to death over this.
The christian persecution complex is a primary reason for abolition of Abrahamic religions. That complex is caused by the religion itself; it’s literally written into their canon. You’re advocating for spoiling and enabling an unruly child.
I’m not saying I’m feeding into their persecution complex. I was saying that you are. Telling them that the religion they identify so strongly with should be destroyed just makes them feel justified in their belief.
Circular logic
I don’t think that it is circular. They believe they are being persecuted>someone does something that feels like persecution to them>they feel they have confirmed their persecution. Im not saying it makes sense. It just is how I’ve seen it and even experienced it when i was a mormon.
“THIS religion is the best and rightest one, and people will hate you for it!”
"No it isn’t "
“SEE??!!! I TOLD YOU SO!!!”
Agreed, that does happen. It’s because christians are primed to believe that outside questioning if it is done in an aggressive way is persecution. Thats why they shut down and won’t hear your arguments when you come at them in an aggressive way.
True colours.
In any genocide, the perpetrators always have a ‘reason’. They’ll always be able to tell you that the people that were killed deserved it, and that it needed to happen, and that the world is now better off etc. etc. But saying it and thinking it doesn’t make it true. God can spew out justification for genocide all day. But why would I just take the word of a murderer? Especially if they are a super-powerful being who no-doubt had all sorts of other options available to them. Why would I take their word that suffering and death and destruction is justified when it is done by them - but not by others? And God doesn’t even bother to attempt to explain or talk about that to me. I just hear it from you, and other fans… which makes it even less reliable.