We have her on camera, we have her plates on camera, she’s likely on the store’s camera. She wasn’t getting away with shit, but hey, let’s escalate the situation to murder over it. I’m not saying she’s without fault but it’s like how many police forces learned it’s better not to push high speed pursuits because they often end badly for everyone involved, not just the perp. Simply sad and preventable…
I think I have to disagree that the shooting was necessary. She was in a parking space starting from a dead stop and was moving at about 2MPH. The officer’s life was not in danger. He could have stepped to one side. And, as you said, it was a minor shoplifting offense, they have her on camera, and her car and license plate on camera. People calling in complaints of theft on bicycles, cars, or other thefts are regularly dismissed by police officers. They’re told to fill out a form and that they’ll be contacted if anything comes up. It’s such a common occurrence that it’s become a trope. If they responded in this incident with that same level of commitment to the law, they would have just let her drive away and them filed a report after they had some lunch.
If you think you’re not giving the police a special break on this, think about how you’d feel of it was a private citizen drawing their own concealed weapon. Other than the police having the legal right to order her from the car, the situation is no different unless you want to consider disobeying a police officer to be a crime worthy of immediate execution.
I think that, like with the municipalities that banned high speed car chases for anything but major felony infractions, the ROE needs to reflect that if the officer’s life is not in immediate danger, they should not fire.
You’re reading my comment or perhaps it’s the way I wrote it. There were many ways the police could have positioned themselves not to be in her way. He choose to stand in front of the vehicle and while she was stupid in pulling forward, we have no clue what she was personally going through and stupidity shouldn’t result in a death sentence; not to mention that pregnant woman can have understandable (and medically predictable) mood swings. The police were in the wrong here and her death was preventable - that’s what I was trying to get across.
We have her on camera, we have her plates on camera, she’s likely on the store’s camera. She wasn’t getting away with shit, but hey, let’s escalate the situation to murder over it. I’m not saying she’s without fault but it’s like how many police forces learned it’s better not to push high speed pursuits because they often end badly for everyone involved, not just the perp. Simply sad and preventable…
I think I have to disagree that the shooting was necessary. She was in a parking space starting from a dead stop and was moving at about 2MPH. The officer’s life was not in danger. He could have stepped to one side. And, as you said, it was a minor shoplifting offense, they have her on camera, and her car and license plate on camera. People calling in complaints of theft on bicycles, cars, or other thefts are regularly dismissed by police officers. They’re told to fill out a form and that they’ll be contacted if anything comes up. It’s such a common occurrence that it’s become a trope. If they responded in this incident with that same level of commitment to the law, they would have just let her drive away and them filed a report after they had some lunch.
If you think you’re not giving the police a special break on this, think about how you’d feel of it was a private citizen drawing their own concealed weapon. Other than the police having the legal right to order her from the car, the situation is no different unless you want to consider disobeying a police officer to be a crime worthy of immediate execution.
I think that, like with the municipalities that banned high speed car chases for anything but major felony infractions, the ROE needs to reflect that if the officer’s life is not in immediate danger, they should not fire.
You’re reading my comment or perhaps it’s the way I wrote it. There were many ways the police could have positioned themselves not to be in her way. He choose to stand in front of the vehicle and while she was stupid in pulling forward, we have no clue what she was personally going through and stupidity shouldn’t result in a death sentence; not to mention that pregnant woman can have understandable (and medically predictable) mood swings. The police were in the wrong here and her death was preventable - that’s what I was trying to get across.
I’m glad to see someone actually taking a balanced view to this, I’ve seen a ridiculous number of people making out she was totally blameless.
Yes, the police could have done many things differently, but driving forward with an officer standing in front of your car is inexcusable.