I’m not comfortable with that. 25,000 is $400 a month (5 years). But yeah trucks are ridiculous. People gotta be taking out 8-10 years to pay for those

The number in OP was $25k

For electric cars yes. (As opposed to the civic question). The reason I would posit is a culmination of my points. Companies love to over engineer these systems to justify high R&D to allow prices (and margins) to go up.

Manufacturing costs go down but also there is an increase in technology, fuel efficiency, and especially safety.

Not something you or I could answer, but are these costs truly matching inflation? In this era I am hard pressed to believe profits are still only 10% that is listed online.

No one is doing that. Just because it has the same name doesn’t mean it’s even remotely the same car as it was 20 years ago…

Many parts do the exact same stuff they used to. A radio head unit nowadays is the same head unit 3 and 5 years ago in a new shell. Bluetooth, USB, Apple/Android carplay, am/fm. And now they’re hooked up to the touchscreens. Why change what already works in a new facelift year, except for no reason other than to intentionally prevent parts from becoming commonplace. The rims I mentioned. No one will notice when buying a car if those rims were reused those 4 years.

Because backup cameras were mandated in 2016.

A friend owns a 2019 Ford Fiesta that has a backup camera on the installed screen that’s 5 inches tall to 6 inches wide. It’s incredibly minimalist and I know most people do enjoy an infotainment system now. That doesn’t change my point here that brands embraced putting an iPad in your car, and won’t give you buttons back because the ever increasing size screens are incredibly cheap compared to the radio/climate/headlight buttons you see people bemoaning they want back. It also feeds back to the “you can’t fix it yourself” problem that car brands have manufactured for consumers.

This might be hard to believe but 2005 was nearly 20 years ago…cars have improved in nearly every way possible, then add 20 years of inflation to that and it starts to sound like a good deal…

Comparison of all 3

Using an online inflation calculator shows the 2005 price inflating to 21,400, and the 2015 price inflating to 24,900. It would seem the civic is matching inflation. So, I’m wrong on how inflation has impacted the value of most cars, but that still doesn’t solve the problem that New cars aren’t being released for under $20,000 (stateside) anymore - and subsequently how much debt people have to sink into to buy New. Inflation has run what should just be a basic ass car into $24,000+

But my turnaround question would be does the cost to manufacture this car truly not fall? Is the manufacture cost also meeting inflation the way we found the MSRP has? Has manufacturing one truly remained at 90% MSRP? (A quick Google says profits are usually only 10%). If so, why? I understand facelifts and upgrades over the years but if you’ve been making the same “name” car that shares parts with itself through the years from 2005 till 2025, how are some of those parts not dirt ass cheap - because car brands are intentionally not reusing the parts. A great example is the 2012 and 2014 Chevy Sonic rims are the same. 2013 and 2015 are the same too. Why aren’t they they same across 4 years? Also why is the 2012 one a bolt pattern 5x105 - a size and pattern never used again or previously? Because fuck you, consumer, we needed them to be scarce so the price stays at $300 per rim. (Personal experience I had in 2017). A civic, and any other long life car model could be cheaper, but they’re not because car makers insist on convoluted systems and “innovation for innovation sake” so a new car is always full of new R&D they need to pay for.

Also cars are covered in touchscreens now. Do you know why - touchscreens are just a TV with a digitizer like your phone. And we have been making those for 20 years so they ARE cheap as dirt. Touchscreens are so popular in the face of consumers wanting buttons because they’re so cheap to put in and make a UI for. In fact the UI doesn’t even have to change, it just needs to look new every few years and anyone with some computer knowledge will tell you how far changing a jpg image for a button goes to fooling people you did a lot of work.

So they…don’t like profit? Because that also contradicts OP.

No, they made cars nearly unfixable to most mechanic shops and you, the consumer with computerisation/combining parts (climate controls are built into the radio unit on mustangs) and own the market on tools to fix their brand. Most Dealerships state parts/maintenance make big bucks. If your car is new enough Chevy and Dealerman are making bank by selling you, for example, a radio head unit that specifically fits around that climate control system, for $500 and then $70/hr in labor.

Not just the consumer, they also get to rake shops across the coals because they make parts that need a unique tool to access and then charge the shop $500 for the tool to prevent them getting their value out of its use. No shop will get $500 of use out of a cube tool that resets the brake caliper of a Kia Sedan in 2006, 2007, and 2008. So shops didn’t buy it. Where does that bring you but back to Kia Dealerships. (Or attempting it with needle nose pliers)

In our stage of capitalism, these arent even exceptions. 16k for a Versa. Is probably the best deal I’ve seen in forever, because almost no one makes sub $20,000 cars now. The last New cars I saw for that were economy cars (Sonic/fiesta/fit etc)

Weird, Nissan doesn’t have a problem selling Versas for $16k? Chevy doesn’t have a problem selling a Malibu for $25k? Honda doesn’t have a problem selling a Civic for $25k or an Accord for 28k?

Malibu used to be sub $20,000 new. (2008) Civics were $13-15,000 in 2005 brand new. These prices are outrageous for the amount of car you get by comparison. $25000 for a civic? It’s small and goes vroom. For 3,000 more you have an Accord! Compared to an Accord Civics have no storage, small legroom, an engine that makes them zippy for sure, but it’s not as if the Accord is a slouch. At this stage mpg is comparable.

And what happens to the customers who literally can’t afford the expensive models? There’s a lost sale for every one of them.

If you’re not interested in playing the game of taking on massive debt Then that’s fine - in their eyes you can keep buying used cars. For this type of person, they’ve fought so hard to make every car so unfixable to the average person. Parts and service departments are free to make a killing if you can’t fix it yourself.

For those that insist on buying dates models you CAN fix - You can forever own hand me downs with ghosts under the hood, gremlins in the electrical lines and odometers with 6 digits. It’s just a numbers game where eventually you will buy one that shits out way sooner than you can afford before your mentality suggests “maybe reaching deep on a CC and getting something with warranties wouldn’t be so bad?”

And then credits Grok as the photographer lmao

And Liches hide them very well. No one’s ever found the holy Grail, so this tracks

Engagement go brrrt.

Number not go up?

Abandon ship to the next company where accountant promises number go up.

Oh man NFTs and eSports? Yawning Boat Monkeys or whatever lost billions and the guy who hyped crypto is going to prison for rugpulling on a massive scale.

Who the fuck at this point thinks anyone is interested in them?? eSports has been tried to be forced and anything made specifically for eSports sucks hot dog shit and fails. The only eSports that take off are games with homegrown audiences who enjoy the gameplay (like leave became eSports, it wasn’t created to BE an esport.)

This isnt a shock though, the IOC is openly corrupt and bribable. A brief glimpse at the 2016 Apocalympics in Rio shows they don’t give two fucks about the games, as long as their greasy hands get cash in them. Which totally tracks when NFTs are just a way to exchange fake dollars and hide money in something that has perceived value - just like real art.

Yeah that’s pretty shitty to continue to sell a part that they know is defective.

“select the bikes” That’s a motorcycle and that’s a moped. Those don’t count-uh I fucking guess they do?

“Select the bus” Bro that’s an intersection at 200 feet.

“Type the Captcha letters” Is that a lowercase r or a capital T?

“We noticed a bug in the latest patch where the blade may sometimes fall off. This is unintended and we will fix it in the next quarterly update”

How’d that make it past QA you might ask? Beta testers for things are the QA now. And they often pay for the experience too!

It isn’t legal, and you already said why lol

$2,500 in CS and you won’t be going anywhere, spiderman

“you legally gotta tell me!”

I clicked exclusively to see where pasta fell. Am disappoint.

It was before, too.

Didn’t mean to be so incorrect (off by 23 years) there was some kind of accolade for her, maybe it was just being a teacher? I’ll fix the post tho

I distinctly remember growing up hearing there’s not even a .01% margin for error on spacecraft. That they must be so durable to withstand the conditions of leaving/reentry and the shuddering vibrations. I realize it’s different, but the big fear is always having another Challenger. Challenger didn’t just break up, it exploded into 2 pieces on national television. " teacher going to space" had a TV in every classroom across the country watching it.

Helium seems used in the modern rocket to keep hot gas pipes separate from cold liquid fuel. 3 minutes before launch the system is charged and maintained by ground, just before ignition it’s disengaged and the system has to support itself. The helium on board only needs to stay pressurized for the 7 minutes or so it takes before the thrusters are spent, and purged, and that’s why they don’t view it as an issue. But still sounds like fuckass Boeing being ok gambling with lives while NASA shrugs - again.

Yeah that’s what everyone’s upset about. It has the same country restriction as HD2, of hundreds of countries, as if they don’t even matter. This is all about Sony throwing a bitch fit to “punish” people for not letting them grab all the data they thought they were going to be entitled to.

Oh shit, stealing this. Tired of changing the number on my overly long password. It’s just inconvenient to type 32 charachters when “SeasonYear” would work.

Bro just made an unknown company a little less secure 💀