“someone else do it please” is not the mentality to have if you actually want revolution.

I’m asking you why would you think that is not already integrated in my way, since I think it is implied by what I explained.

Your way is assuming they will question the things with your push statements. What I’m saying is they believe they have solid foundation, and their alternative facts account for most pushes. They’ll bring up reasons. They’ll say “facts”(obviously not real ones, but they have them). They’ll feel they’re knowledge. Those things cause them to effectively counter soft pushes, in my opinion.

I think this could work, but it limits the number of opportunities quite a lot. I see no reason to not try both.

Fair enough that there’s not really a good reason to try both. I feel like a key to it is not being condescending, ehich soft pushes ring as to me.

My method has limited opportunities, but since I primarily utilize it at work, I’m meeting this people frequently

Why would you think it’s without knowing they got intoxicated by fake news?

I really can’t make heads or tails of this sentence.

That’s the point, you think they have wrong ideas, so you push them gently to increase the chance that they will question them by themselves.

I don’t disagree with gentle pushing. I’m saying what your idea is not going to push them at all, nor will it be taken as gentle. Honestly, it makes me wonder if you’ve actually interacted with these sorts.

The best approach that I’ve found is to beat them to the punch of saying things. Basically, make points before they can say stipid shit, they’re very easily manipulated if they haven’t already taken a stance in the conversation

Also going into the points they aren’t as sure on, proving them wrong, has given me a great basis of getting them to admit they’re wrong. It’s all in tone of voice. Not being a dick about it.

No. That’s a poor way to do it. They have very clear ideas on why things are like they are, and for the basis of their racism… they’re wrong ideas, but they’re extremely clear. Arguing without the understanding that they have alternatives facts is wrong

They just bring up information as fact that they’ve put no research into demonstrating.

I know people like this. They’re “nic”. But what that means is they put everyone they know into “one of the good ones” box. So they’re polite to all people they know, basically… It’s interesting and horrifying to see tbh

A standard issue laptop would be around 500 for mid range. Maybe prices have changed recently idk

Related to crimes, they kinda really can

You are dull. Very dull. There is no shortage of ways to pirate content on the internet, including torrents. And they wasted no time doing so

And what of the massive amount of content paywalled that ai still used to train?

Chromebooks that schools use don’t have any computing power to speak of. There’s none to lose

A Chromebook for school kids costs around $200 when I was in school 5 years ago… A normal computer would cost closer to 500

That’s not cheap. Schools can’t afford that. The kids know better.

Yeah that’s one of the things that stood out as what the hell… the companies already have the data, if ICE wanted it legally they shouldn’t need to pay… Really shows how shady they’re being.

the low skill manufacturing jobs they took were going to leave the US anyway.

… Yes and no. A lot of junk, sure. But there was no necessity to move much of large scale manufacturing over—the primary reason it happened was rampant consumerism desiring the cheapness that lower standards brought, without regard to workers or the ability of the national economy to have a modern strength against foreign influence.

Production is fully capable to have been kept in the usa for a lot of products, as long as people were willing to buy less. It’d have been a greater benefit to our economy and the environment overall.

But tariffs aren’t the answer here - instead, the answer is to support local industries by giving them government contracts to produce their goods, which the government can then use and/or stockpile when we aren’t in a time of crisis.

Tariffs are an important tool. They should never be the only tool used from the tool box. But nonetheless, they’re important to disincentive the moving away manufacturing based just on wages. They make products more expensive, allowing local products to survive more easily —but if you rely on them too heavily, your local industries become stagnant.

Most goods are not reasonable to spend government money on as well. That works great for medical goods and food, but not much else.

That’s just the forward march of technological progress.

When companies like Amazon use that logic to cut wages to half of competition… I got a problem.

Hear! Hear!

America gave china the manufacturing jobs by failing to block slave labor imports and failing to put proper tariffs to account for differences in cost of living to a reasonable extent. I say this at risk of sounding like a trumpy…

This is to be clear that while I advocate for some level of global inter investment, having capacity in your home country is ever very important. Usa could’ve kept the jobs if they were smart back then.

The vast majority of parachutes are not

Or consider they might find 4% worth it

Community colleges function differently