I appreciate the fire , but in my parents’ house we invite more people than we have glassware, plus it’s less dishes to wash (which yeah, we should just wash the goddamn dishes and not create more single-user waste, but I don’t throw parties myself).

I mean I don’t really go to that many parties (shocking news, Lemmy user doesn’t like parties, also the Sun is hot and water is wet), but when my parents throw parties, usually they get whatever the cheapest disposable cups are.

It’s a real thing we do…is that weird?

Bruh I wish more music followed a math cadence

Lincoln tricked racist northerners into dying in a war against the most heinous form of slavery the world has ever seen

… to save a slave nation built on white supremacy and settler colonialism, which still enslaves Black people within its borders thanks to the 13th Amendment passed during his administration, because the slave nation was so fucking vile and unstable that even white supremacists had to fight against chattel slavery to keep their settler colonial empire from detonating itself.

Like this is literally how deep racism goes, that even the “white moderates” are all racist bastards. This is what happens when one makes white supremacy the foundation of an entire society: to the surprise of no one but you and every other settler apparently, you end up with a nation of white supremacists. Rejecting in all its hideous permutations (applies to too) is step zero in any serious solution for ending white supremacy. Otherwise, it’s a continuation of white supremacy under different management.

and he still doesn’t pass your purity test.

Yeah actually, the only purity test an President can ever pass is that he purely deserves to burn in Hell.

Yeah it’s pretty deranged that he chose to do that, and it’s pretty deranged that you pretend like hasn’t always been a slave nation.

Sees instance

Settler detected

It doesn’t actually represent anything. It’s a public pool.

What the fuck are you smoking and can I have some?

It’s literally called the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool. It obviously is a memorial to Lincoln. The National Mall is filled with monuments which are explicitly dedicated to memorializing various figures from history. We’re not debating this!

And what you really want, is to convince others your imagining is real.

Wow golly gee I must be a real fucking psycho to want to … convince people to think like I do. Goddamn, that’s some crazy shit.

Only a shit would be up their own ass enough to have a problem with trying to convince people to think differently.

Shifting the definition of slaver, from one commonly understood usage, to your own personal version.

I literally cited the dictionary definition. A slaver is any person involved in the slave trade.

The reason you don’t like it, isn’t any rational practical reason.

You literally don’t have to have a practical reason to like or not like stuff. Like I could’ve been like “I don’t like the monuments because they look like doo doo” and that is a legitimate aesthetic preference.

Because you don’t like it, other’s shouldn’t be allowed to.

When did I say that others should be banned from liking it? I just want people to understand what the thing they’re liking actually represents, which is the vile settler-colonial project.

Which is kind of funny coming from “an outspoken anarchist”.

Yes because anarchism is when you have literally no opinions on anything ever and you let literally everything happen with absolutely no pushback whatsoever 🙄.

Pray tell, what would you actually blackmail him for? Combining his crimes as a private citizen with his crimes committed as the President of (e.g. enabling the Gaza genocide), he’s basically done at least a little bit of every crime. Like there is literally nothing his followers won’t look past, and there is literally nothing the Demonrats in power are willing to hold him accountable for because if he went to prison, every other POTUS would have to go to prison too.

That’s called Shifting the Goalpost.

oh my God who the hell cares?

Shown that reason doesn’t apply.

Actually you haven’t. Under Lincoln’s presidency, the Union went on to nominally outlaw slavery — except as punishment for a crime. The 13th Amendment has been used to keep penal slavery illegal. Lincoln himself did not personally own slaves, but he was absolutely complicit as a President in maintaining the institution of slavery. So if not a literal slave owner, every President, as the figurehead of a massive institution of slavery, is a slaver by any reasonable definition.

I’m sure that’s also not the reason you don’t like it.

The reason I reject the monuments is because I am an outspoken anarchist and is a shining beacon on a hill for everything anarchism identifies as wrong [1] about the world, therefore we shouldn’t celebrate people who lead it. Every other “excuse” is a special case of my disgust for systems of oppression and hierarchy.

[1] Edited from “I despise” to “anarchism identifies as wrong”, because it’s not about my personal preference, it’s about what these monuments represent, in particular the systems of domination they reinforce. My personal distaste for them is irrelevant to the argument. (Actually, my personal taste is even stronger: I don’t like any monuments, even for people I like, because hero worship is a cognitive distortion.)

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.

— Abraham Lincoln

Lincoln commanded his soldiers to fight the Confederates to protect another evil: settler colonialism, i.e. the Union. He viewed an undivided as the more stable version of the settler-colonial project.

Every President of voluntarily helmed a white supremacist settler-colonial entity. There are no good Presidents, and there never will be, because Presidents are categorically monsters. Monsters don’t deserve monuments.

Broken clock is right twice a day, but there’s a reason we don’t use them to tell time

Off the top of my head:

1. The device might look ugly on the National Mall.
2. The device might cost about as much, if not more, especially if it’s being run every six hours.

Personally, I think that slavers don’t deserve monuments, i.e. I hope it looks as bad as possible

Then why is the food at my school’s academic events so fucking bad? 🙃

If my country’s politics get brought up, I just state that I do not support the government’s recent actions. (Don’t read that to mean I support my government’s actions at literally any point in history .)

Instead of asking an AI your next question, try “borrowing” a book from the “library” on the topic (serious). Honestly, this would also have been my answer five years ago, before ChatGPT, with regard to basic search engines, since I’m old enough to remember when the advice was to not trust everything you read on the Internet.

Found it! It’s from pg. 3 of An Introduction to Category Theory (2011) by Harold Simmons.