The only thing thats dangerous for Trump is that ruining the future becomes too expensive.

In Europe people vote for russia friendly right wing parties for the same reason.

Says a lot about the state of western societies.

I never said that, don’t strawman me. Also i do not defend billionaires. But climate change is not a billionaire problem. Framing it as such while the whole western world is living so much above anything sustainable is just self-righteous.

And of course some emissions are really hard/nearly impossible to avoid when living in such a society. I’m no angel in that regard too. Also it’s hard to keep the motivation up while so many of us don’t even acknowledge the problem or just don’t give a shit.

But in my mind there are certain things which are just plain “shitting on the future”: Flying is one of those. And after this summer i’m done not speaking it out.

Sorry i didn’t read carefully enough. Thanks for pointing that out. So there’s a huge difference between the UK “national rail” and the US “commuter rail” in carbon emission (35g vs 214g per km, which is not so great again*). I guess this is because the US rail is much less electrified and runs mostly on diesel. Also a national rail train will stop less (and have to accelerate again) than a commuter train.

As i mentioned in another post in this thread a round trip transatlantic flight is almost a full year of what one person can emit (if we share it equally) to limit the warning to 1.5°C.

What breaking this limit means is easy accessible information. (No its not the apocalypse but is is shit)

*sorry couldn’t resist

You probably are in the 10% - anyone earning over $55,000

You feel entitled to an “occasional flight” so i assume your overall behavior leads to emissions typical for this group. You use 9 times you share.

A roundtrip flight from London to Dublin alone is already 25% of you yearly CO2 budget. From New York to Dublin its 80%.

But sure, the billionaires…

Remember this on your next flight, look down at the once green now brown wasteland and then at your children. It was you doing this.

Thank you for the reply. “Your” numbers are not in fuel/mile/person but in energy/mile/person. So an electric train is much better carbon emission wise than it suggests. I was aware that flights and ICE cars are equal-ish per distance, but the takeaway from this should be to not fly or ICE-drive long distances and not that flying is ok.

Flying is really bad and billionaires as well as common people alike should not be allowed to do it. I do not understand why we still have to discuss this.

where did you get those numbers? i call bullshit

https://ourworldindata.org/travel-carbon-footprint:

how did you get there?