I mean even if it made them more money to platform confirmed shitheads, it’s still the wrong thing to do. Like ethically. It doesn’t also have to be wrong from a business or even legal perspective.

If a company can’t take that kind of stand I don’t want anything to do with them.

I am actually kind of thrilled that I have substack subscriptions, including paid, that I can pull as my little protest to this platform. Luckily my paid subscriptions have both confirmed that they’re ditching substack as well, so my support will follow them wherever they land.

I really hope that substack lets writers have access to their email lists, so they can easily take them with them.

Yo this artist rules. I just binged their back catalogue, and it’s really cool to see their (jheir?) progression over the years.

I’m in love with these lines. Thanks for sharing.

How do you know about DW?

I think the fediverse in general has a better chance because it’s built on an anti-corporate philosophy, from the software, maintainers, admins, moderators, and much of the community (though increasingly less so, as it becomes more popular).

If you have a problem with corporate influence on Reddit, then your ability to act on it ends with your subreddit’s moderators. To the admins and owners of reddit, that kind of influence is a feature.

Hell they can even monetize it, bake it right into the DNA of the back-end, give the corps a nice little API to poll, maybe some webhooks…

That is not something I see happening on the fediverse as long as its open source and run by the community.

Let me know how I can curate my feed by blocking whole instances over at X et al.

Block lists https://auxmode.com/support-knowledge-base/advanced-options-for-using-block-twitter/

“looking after” is defined on a case by case basis, by instance admins. Anyway, I’m sorry about my normie comment. I don’t mean to sound so intolerant, so I can’t blame you from extrapolating. But I’m very on board with admins blocking entire instances if they’ve shown to have inadequate moderation. For everything else, there’s ⛔

Nah you’re just attached to the old idea of the One Big Marketplace of Ideas, where all the saints and sinners of all the world gather 'round and hash it out. I get it. But it didn’t work out, specifically because corpos put profit over community well-being, so that’s why I’m here.

I’m sure there will be bridging or collating tools for people like you who don’t want to give up precious content just because it comes from a problematic source. Personally, I think wanting it all misses the point of real community.

If you want a place where admins are not allowed to block communities and instead leave moderation of all but the most egregious, illegal content, up to individuals, there are places like that already in X and Threads.

This is the fediverse, where admins are expected to look after their members. If they don’t, the members will leave. I don’t want to block every toxic user or instance on my own - I already spend too much time blocking normies from lemmy.world.

What are we competing on exactly? Profitability? We’re not a company, we’re just a bunch of people talking among ourselves. This is like saying your casual Friday hangout with your buddies is no match for the likes of Rogers Telecom Combined International Userbase - like, by wtf metric? It’s not even a competition. They’re a company, and we’re a community.

We’ll just keep doing our thing, and if threads gets annoying then I’ll pressure my instance to block them, and if they don’t I’ll just move to a nicer place. 🤷

I mean they haven’t infiltrated the private phpbb forum me and my friends have been running since 2008, for the simple reason that they aren’t invited.

Same difference with the fediverse. I have no problem going back down to pre-2019 levels where it’s just a few hundred of us, chatting and sharing #caturday pictures. The fedipact means we can easily find those networks of like-minded communities to federate with.

Is that really a problem? It’s not trying to “control” anything. It’s a voluntary pact meant to conserve the non-corporate fediverse, as it is right now.

The beauty of the fediverse is that you can choose your experience based on the instance you join

This is never going to change. If you just don’t like the intent behind the fedipact, no problem - the majority of the fediverse will be talking with threads. You get the personal choice of which instances you make accounts on. Hell, you can make your own instance.

There is no problem here.

I mean maybe! Legitimately worrying.

It is dumb as hell yeah. Well, probably smart in a business sense, because it’s an excuse to collect more minute-by-minute user metrics for a seemingly innocent purpose (when really you know it’s just going to be gamed to crank up engagement, and trick people into spending money - ie marketing)

I’m fine with dynamic difficulty, if it’s something that the designers bake into the game, which is already done in many cases.

Yeah it’s relative… and it depends on your seniority a bit. I do feel like everyone has the capacity to at least question an unethical practice if they see it. Often that’s enough to trigger a tickle of shame in the person putting forward the idea, or at least shift the culture incrementally forward.

For instance when I was working on marketing integrations, I eventually insisted that we track explicit consent, and provide an unsubscribe option on all emails and text messages going out. If I’d just “hacked it out” like the harried director of marketing expected, well, who knows

Eventually that same director took great pride in his “clean lists,” so it was clear that he internalized some of the ethics.

The title’s meaning and weight can vary. So can the responsibilities and impact of an individual engineer’s decisions. But there is a longstanding tradition of engineers as gatekeepers for quality and the ethical application of their skills.

For instance, licensed engineers in Canada have a duty to the following code of ethics. To quote the header:

Registrants shall conduct themselves with integrity, in an honourable and ethical manner. Registrants shall uphold the values of truth, honesty and trustworthiness and safeguard human life and welfare and the environment. In keeping with these basic tenets, registrants shall: […]

Software Engineers and UX/UI Designers need a code of ethics, like yesterday.

Yes, business is ultimately to blame, but those folks are beyond saving - they will never ever ever put the brakes on an initiative that could make more money legally. Unless there’s blowback from an ethics board / professionals in charge of implementing their dark patterns.

Software Engineers and UX/UI Designers need a code of ethics, like yesterday.

Yes, business is ultimately to blame, but those folks are beyond saving - they will never ever ever put the brakes on an initiative that could make more money legally. Unless there’s blowback from an ethics board / professionals in charge of implementing their dark patterns.

I think the issue is that on most people’s feeds, the vast, vast majority of the content that they see would be from the @threads “instance.” Think of how salty people get about the size of mastodon.social or lemmy.world are compared to other instances, and multiply that along with the threat of a poison pill in the form of corporate embrasure.

Culturally, the fedi is pretty anti-corporate, so a lot of members are suspicious of centralization / partnership with corporate entities. Though this lens, I think the objections make total sense.

There is an adapter, buttt yeah I would really miss being able to just plug in a pair of headphones.