wonderingwanderer

If someone doesn’t like your car, and they petition congress to outlaw the make and model, they’ve politicized a non-issue.

If you tell them it’s none of their business, you’re not being political. It’s not making it political to tell them it isn’t political.

The argument for reducing meat production isn’t about eliminating pastoral settings. Some people want to eliminate 100% of meat consumption, but I don’t think that’s entirely necessary. Eliminating factory farming is necessary though, and the methane produced by that method is entirely unsustainable.

Also, if you’re only eating grain, then yeah it would take a lot of it to meet nutritional requirements. But if you’re eating grains and legumes, then it’s much easier to ensure complete nutrition without any meat products.

It takes 25kg of grain to produce 1 kg of beef. If the land used to produce that grain were instead used to produce grains and legumes for human consumption, it would produce more than enough to end world hunger

On the contrary, saying it’s political is a political opinion.

There’s nothing political about the original post, whether you like it or not. You’re politicizing it by claiming it’s political.

I’m curious what data you’ve found that doesn’t support the plant-based movement. Water consumption, the amount of grain it takes to produce a fraction of its weight in meat, methane emissions from factory farming, etc., all point to the need to at the very least reduce the scale at which meat is being produced

Thanks! I appreciate that and I’ll keep that in mind. I’m using Babbel, which has native speaker recordings, so I definitely understand the challenge of pronunciation but I think I’m slowly getting it.

It only goes up to A2 though, so if I ever make it to Denmark I’ll have to use Prøve i Dansk and maybe attend a language school.

I’ll DM you if I have a question I can’t find an answer to!

Ah, thank you. Honestly I’m already formulating an exit plan; if midterms aren’t administered fairly this year then all is lost.

Denmark is at the top of my list of places to try to live, but migrating permanently there seems like a challenge. I’m already studying Danish though, just in case.

Fair enough. I just meant cause I’m (unfortunately) american, but I’m not going to stop extolling democracy just because fascists are destroying it here

They could just tell everyone that 7, 8, and 9 were just a fever dream, and then start producing material directly from the expanded universe.

There’s at least four obvious trilogies they can do. Pre-prequel: Old Republic Era and Dawn of the Jedi; sequel and post-sequel: New Republic Era and New Jedi Order.

And that still leaves them with the Cosmic Wars, Forgotten Ages, and Legacy Era for milking the franchise afterwards…

That raises another issue which is zoning laws. I addressed that in my other comment too.

Other countries have mixed-use zoning. You can have commercial and residential buildings in the same space. You can even build apartments above restaurants.

In the US, hardly any neighborhood has any businesses within walking distance, and the ones that do usually have a sketchy walk on the side of the road with no sidewalk, and everyone who sees you thinks you’re a junky because “who else would be walking there?”

And then all the businesses are packed into ugly strip malls surrounded by giant parking lots. It’s not an efficient use of space.

In my linked comment, I explained how cultures built around rail systems have mixed-use zoning and less need for parking lots; allowing towns to be built more densely around stations, and contributing to walkability.

Yes, it’s challenging to convert a disperse infrastructure that’s been built around roads and highways into one that’s as efficient and walkable as a rail-based society. I’m not denying that.

I suppose the disconnect is that you’re viewing walkability and railway infrastructure as separate things, and I view them as intrinsically connected. A rail-based infrastructure is inherently more walkable; and a road-based infrastructure is inherently less walkable.

That’s why it needs to be a comprehensive system. Connecting unwalkable cities by long distance, high speed trains wouldn’t be enough to effect the cultural shift necessary, no. But I didn’t say that alone would be enough.

Intercity rail is just one aspect of a comprehensive rail system, which must also include intracity railway infrastructure such as a well-planned metro system. And ideally some local routes that connect outlying suburbs into the main rail network.

All of this is necessary to reduce dependence on automobiles, and to reduce the overall picture to one of its aspects and say that part alone wouldn’t be enough to achieve the goal is honestly not a very good argument.

Edit for context:

I didn’t realize this comment was in a different chain from this one: https://sopuli.xyz/comment/21297827

Yet only humans know shame…

One doesn’t have to be a professional to play a sport. One shouldn’t have to be a professional to participate in a rational debate either.

Dribbling and dunking on an unwilling participant in the grocery store who’s just trying to do some shopping would be a douchebag move. But if you go to a basketball court and start engaging with the people dribbling, then they’re not being a douche when they dunk on you.

Internet forums are a public space where theoretically people can discuss whatever they want. If someone doesn’t want to participate in a discussion then they don’t have to, but they shouldn’t get upset when they see someone lay out a well-crafted treatise on the nature of toe beans. If they don’t want to debate, they don’t have to engage. That’s the freedom of the internet.

I think the problem are the trolls who don’t engage in good faith or rationally, and simply make disingenuous strawman arguments so they can insult people about scenarios that they’ve made up and projected onto the other person. That’s not what I mean when I say rational debate.

I don’t think carnists are desperate, they just don’t care. They don’t view it as unethical.

You can try explaining to someone the harms of the meat industry from an environmental standpoint, an animal rights standpoint, a food security standpoint, a worker’s rights standpoint, and some may be amenable with the right amount of convincing.

But trying to bludgeon someone into compliance through shaming and demanding them to change is heavy-handed. And especially when carnists are in the majority, it’s not likely to be effective either

Valid. Although,

contrary to the emphasis of the meme, the more research-supported position is that the primary transportation alternative to cars needs to be walking, not trains

The thing is, rail-based infrastructure encourages walking. If you’re only going a should distance, you walk a few blocks instead of driving. If you’re going further, you walk to the station, and then to your destination.

Walking is not an option over a certain distance. Unless you want to spend all day getting somewhere you could have gone in less than an hour, and a multiple days journey to get places farther.

Walking alone will never replace reliance on cars until there’s a viable alternative, and trains are the best option. Especially if they’re designed efficiently and use renewable energy

12-15% isn’t “at least” 15%. “At least” would imply that the lowest it could be is 15%, when in reality wine is at most 15%.

Theoretically it could be higher but it would likely have to be fortified, as even the most obdurate yeasts would suffocate in their own waste before producing higher concentrations of alcohol.

You might find some liqueurs with 20-30%, but those typically contain some amount of spirits to get their ABV up that high.

It’s almost impossible to have a good faith, rational debate on the internet. Logical validity and soundness go out the window the moment someone has to examine their biases and check whether their assumptions have been accurate.

Yes, I know that. I’m identifying that as a problem, but I never said a solution would be quick or easy. I’m fairly certain I even said that US infrastructure is built in a way that would make it more difficult, as compared to societies that are built upon rail-based systems.

When did I ever say anything about making cars more expensive? What is it with Lemmy comments and making strawman arguments?

Tankies are so exhausting to deal with. In my view, they’re as bad as maga. The two really seem to feed off each other.

It’s not equal to engineering, but it’s certainly involved in it.

That’s like saying x ≠ x²+3x+b

Of course it’s not equal to it (unless x and b both equal zero)

Dude, you’re being a dick. America already has a bad enough name as it is, stop making it worse.