„But what‘s the plot reason for them being gay? I don‘t mind gay people being in something, but if there‘s not a reason for it, then it‘s just pandering!“
I remember YMS calling out Onward for advertising having a gay character, and it was just a single scene with a single character who mentioned having a same sex partner at home. Something that could be easily edited out for “the international market”.
Having a casual mention that a character is gay is fine, but if it’s suppose to be Casual Representation, it should be casually represented. The same emphasis that hetro relationships should be used. Not more.
If it’s a story about the Queer Experience, then it would be expected to have more representation though.
This is where the line gets blurry tho. On one hand, yeah, bigots exist, but on the other hand, I could see this being a clumsy attempt at complaining about poor writing.
Like, I’m pretty sure I said something like this when Rowling said Dumbledore was gay. I’m not cishet, amd it still feels like she retconned that in for points, especially now that we’re seeing exactly what she thinks about LGBT stuff.
Oh she absolutely did. Just like she did the “i never said Hermione *wasn’t * Black” thing, despite having described her cheeks as “pink” on more than one occasion.
But that’s not what the people i was quoting mean. They’re doing the “straight, white, cis, man is the default, and anything deviating from that needs an explicit in-universe explanation”.
There was a thing that did the rounds a while back which was variations on “what race are you? White or political?”, “what’s your sexuality? Straight or political?”, etc.
it’s basically that. Straight guy? Fine. Gay guy? “But what’s the *reason *he’s gay? How is it relevant to the plot?”
No, I get what you mean. I just see a lot of clumsy getting lumped in with malevolent on a regular basis, and want to call attention to it.
Edit: Like the people who say your point about Hermione is racist because black people can blush too, when that’s not what you’re trying to say at all.
„But what‘s the plot reason for them being gay? I don‘t mind gay people being in something, but if there‘s not a reason for it, then it‘s just pandering!“
Frankly I would much rather a character be gay but it have no relevance whatsoever, it’s just a random fact about them
But also what another poster said, make it come up organically, don’t just force it in for diversity points. Makes it feel cheap and tokenized
I remember YMS calling out Onward for advertising having a gay character, and it was just a single scene with a single character who mentioned having a same sex partner at home. Something that could be easily edited out for “the international market”.
Having a casual mention that a character is gay is fine, but if it’s suppose to be Casual Representation, it should be casually represented. The same emphasis that hetro relationships should be used. Not more.
If it’s a story about the Queer Experience, then it would be expected to have more representation though.
You mean, the same reason why anybody’s gay? They’re born that way?
What do they expect? “A wizard turned him gay.”
Somehow gay returned.
This is where the line gets blurry tho. On one hand, yeah, bigots exist, but on the other hand, I could see this being a clumsy attempt at complaining about poor writing.
Like, I’m pretty sure I said something like this when Rowling said Dumbledore was gay. I’m not cishet, amd it still feels like she retconned that in for points, especially now that we’re seeing exactly what she thinks about LGBT stuff.
Oh she absolutely did. Just like she did the “i never said Hermione *wasn’t * Black” thing, despite having described her cheeks as “pink” on more than one occasion.
But that’s not what the people i was quoting mean. They’re doing the “straight, white, cis, man is the default, and anything deviating from that needs an explicit in-universe explanation”.
There was a thing that did the rounds a while back which was variations on “what race are you? White or political?”, “what’s your sexuality? Straight or political?”, etc.
it’s basically that. Straight guy? Fine. Gay guy? “But what’s the *reason *he’s gay? How is it relevant to the plot?”
No, I get what you mean. I just see a lot of clumsy getting lumped in with malevolent on a regular basis, and want to call attention to it.
Edit: Like the people who say your point about Hermione is racist because black people can blush too, when that’s not what you’re trying to say at all.
If you don’t need a plot reason for a male character to have a wife, then you don’t need a plot reason for a male character to have a husband.
Note the quotation marks
Hmmm, your quotation marks are rendering as commas on my client. I thought you just put commas at the start for some random reason.
In languages like German the opening quotes start at the bottom „…“ and closing quotes go to the top. In Russian they can look like «this».
Just someone typing on English with a keyboard not directly mapped to the keyboard you are used to.
This is what your comment looks like for me on Voyager:
Okay. Note the quotation marks.
I don’t think sexual orientation needs a reason, it’s just there.
Me neither. That’s why i put it in quotes to make it clear i was aping stupid objections.