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Thanks for sharing your expertise with us!
Are there any major contradictions that come to mind off the top of your head?
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Info dumps by nerdy folks who are passionate about stuff are my favorite!! ☺️☺️
That’s super interesting, thanks for explaining! And yeah that’s a pretty central contradiction, I can see how that’d drive a lot of theological debate/discussion. Even within the public consciousness it feels like you have the two versions of the christian god, the “turn the other cheek” and the wrathful god you must learn to fear.
I get not wanting to accept the compliment, there’s often a really big difference between a true expert within a field of study and someone with “expertise” in the more coloquial sense of someone having significantly more specialized knowledge than a layman. Regardless, you know a lot more than me or most other folks in this thread and I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge and perspective with us ☺️
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You can say god on the internet, the fuck?
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He can say whatever he wants, including G-d, this is the fediverse, we accept diversity
Not an expert, but I love the field of blood
In the book of Matthew, Judas goes to return the money that he got for turning in Jesus to the priests. They refuse to take the money back, so he throws it into the temple and walks away. He then goes out and hangs himself. The chief priest doesn’t feel that he can accept the money, so he uses it to buy a field with the “blood money” and it is called the field of blood, which is used to bury foreigners.
In the book of Acts, Judas uses the money he received to pay for a field for himself, and when he walks onto the land, his body bursts open and all of his blood and entrails fall into the field. And that’s how it became the field of blood.
The only way to try to marry these two together is to completely step outside of what the scripture says. That doesn’t stop people from trying, but there are two very separate accounts.
Edit; to clarify, I don’t mean literary contradiction like this thing says it’s ok to do X and this says X is forbidden. I was just pointing out stories with very different resolutions.
I have a background in having been raised by religious nutjobs, but I did the same and was very disappointed by how badly these get it wrong. I’d love a handy meme guide of actual contradictions that I can casually share, but this is not it.
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I’d say I am still interested in the philosophy that underpins some religions, I simply reject all mythological supernaturalism. Having been raised by classic Stephen King religious villains, I absolutely reject the entire concept of organized, centralized religion, appeal to authority or deity, and mystical thinking of any kind.
That said, I am a big fan of Jesus’ teaching. I don’t buy the “magical faith healer” nonsense, but I absolutely agree with his teaching, which is deeply humanist. Most religions have a kernel of profound humanism at their center, but all of them have been co-opted by the rich and powerful and metastasized into weapons of oppression, control, and abuse.
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Not to mention that the old and new testament are generally viewed as distinct collections of scripture where the new testament is meant to replace the old testament. Any contradictions between the two are easily dismissed as just that, new replacing old.
That’s not to say bigots won’t use the old testament to push their dogma’s though.
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Matthew 5:17-18 NRSVUE [17] “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. [18] For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
Checks out. I’ll allow it.
You’re right, I used the term replace where scholars might use fulfil. I was told in many instances where old vs new contradictions come up, that the old testament was fulfilled and that the new testament took precedent in most cases of contradiction. So I shouldn’t have used the word replace. But my understanding hasn’t particularly changed. It may have been colored by the positions of Professors I had spoken to in the past. They tended to be from the Church of the Nazarene Universities.
Every single one? But there are contradictions? And somehow they managed to avoid including the real contradictions?
Edit: retracted text from my comment: You know this because of an image with text too blurry to read?". I forgot the check the high res option. Original point remains.
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Respectable response.
Why would you assume that the person saying they took 5 random contradictions would use “all of those” to refer to anything other than those 5?
Perfectly legible text for me. Voyager for iOS.
Edit: here a screenshot
Thanks for the screenshot. I didn’t think to look for the high res option.
But that still leaves the issue of managing to check every single one, knowing they were dismissible and also knowing they missed the contradictions they know are there. What are the odds that this managed to avoid any that the commenter knows exist?
He said he took five at random, and the “every single one” was in reference to those five.
As the other person said. They took five.
Also, I like to take positive intent and assume the best in people.
Modern Christian Nationalism is more than enough of a contradiction for me to not even take this dumb cult seriously
There’s another side to the cult. The one that gets people to join. They preach love and peace and tolerance. All while holding a hate book of fiction and pretending their god isn’t a made-up genocidal religious maniac terrorist.
They can do that because they ignore reality. They end up funding the radical religioius terrorists, and any radical terrorists that join and want more hate - it’s all waiting and set up for them.
It’s not just one cult. They’re all cults, and in almost the exact same way. They’ve been doing this crap for thousands of years, and they’re good at lying.
Since two people already commented on 7 and 9; 263 and 264 as well as 323 and 324 are duplicate! Thank God these are the only ones…
There is no greater commandment than to love your neighbor as yourself. That pretty much contradicts the entire Bible
You would think a all powerful, all knowing, omnipresent entity would be better at proofreading his main document. 4 accounts of crucifixion/resurrection, only 1 mentions zombies (Matthew 27:52-53). I would think that event would be newsworthy enough for all of them to mention it.
Truly is mind boggling that any intelligent human could consider the Bible as anything more than pure fiction/fantasy.
I think that those who have read the Bible (many self proclaimed Christians have not) understand the principle that the Bible is a collection of stories that are used for interpretation of day to day life to give them a more structured moral integrity rather than cut and dry “this is what the Bible says so there is no flexibility”. Life isn’t a set of hard rules to follow, the Bible gives you guidance, not rules.
That said, I’m a devout atheist. Just an observation about others from someone who was forced into Christianity, questioned it, and left.
I do feel that anyone can believe what they want to, if they feel it makes them a better person or gives them a sense of community.
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Of course. Our entire society is built upon generations of knowledge instilled on us by our lineage and what they were exposed to.
Some stuff is black and white. Like hurting other people or causing pain. Things that make sense to not do because they dont feel good. But many of the other moral sensibilities, absolutely! It comes from people before us.
Believing in things that are so blatantly false does not make anyone a “better person”.
That’s not what I said. I said it makes them “feel” they are a better person. And I said that the Bible has teachings that can form someone into a more moral person and that the Bible is utilized by true Christians as a sort of guide to approaching life rather than taking its word as absolute fact. Much of the Bible is false, but its stories make up a moral compass and a way to live life through its meanings. There are plenty of examples of this.
Shitting on someone’s beliefs doesnt make one a “better person” but acknowledging that you will never understand it yet supporting their beliefs by not forcing them into your mindset is. People are people and part of humanity is believing whatever you want to believe in. You’re allowed to have differences of opinions and still care.
Religion is the biggest scam in human history. False hopes and literally stealing $$, eg: tithe.
People should be warned about it just as vigorously as the scam emails about the Nigerian lottery.
Yeah unfortunately when you tell the same lie a gazillion times some will actually start believing it, specially if you inject it into the minds of kids at such a young age, even if it’s the dumbest shit ever
It helps if you start at your conclusions and work backwards a bit.
(asking as an atheist)
Does this include laws that are no longer applicable because of Jesus’ covenant?
According to Jesus none of the old laws changed. He was very clear on that.
He also strongly implied that a not-insignificant part of the old “law” were cultural traditions and compromises, rather than directives from god.
First see, this.
Matthew 22:34-40Then this.
Mark 7:1-13And then this.
Matthew 19:3-8He was very clear that what he laid out in Matthew 22:34-40 was the summary of all law, and that any and all others must be derived from that. If they do not, it is just a tradition.
That depends on how literal ome takes the Bible. Some of that is highly contested depending on what domination you’re in.
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This “beautiful” dataset contains duplicate entries (#7 and 9). There may be others, stopped reading after that.
Thank you for the due diligence, I almost cross posted this unknowingly
The text at the bottom has duplicates, sure. Do you think that’s the “beautiful” part?
I think a beautiful dataset wouldn’t have a duplicate entry in the first ten rows.
The duplication would result in an arc being drawn twice with exactly the same pixels. Ie, it would make no difference whatsoever to the display. It has no effect on the “beauty” part. You might as well be objecting to the font that the text is in.
Font choice is also a factor in data visualization hehe
You could literally chop the lower half of this image off and it would make no difference to the data visualization.
I’d say it’d be an improvement because I wouldn’t have been distracted by this little mistake lol
I’m a data scientist and a nitpicker, not in that order.
It’s even more frustrating when you read older tests which are often collages of even older stuff and sometimes contradict themselves from one paragraph to the other. I guess it is what it is, people thousands of years ago really wouldn’t formulate things the way we do. Also the emphasis on things having to be factually true, and logically consistent, is surprisingly modern.
7 and 9 are duplicates
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I found this and it says it links to the original (but the HTTPS cert is old so I didn’t click through):
https://onthelineministries.com/are-contradictions-in-bible/
Its not the source but it goes through each contraction and I think for all of them argues they’re not a contraction. Their arguments seem convoluted but might make sense. They’re obviously committed to saying they’re not contradictions so a pretty biased source but I’m guessing so was the original.
They also said some things that are in comments on the OP:
One of the funny things I noticed about this is that some (many) are actually duplicate questions and questions of such a similar nature that it is almost pointless to answer them one by one as I could group many together into one single answer.
But the fact that question #7 and question #9 are EXACTLY the same, word for word, I believe it gives a clear testimony to the deception the image attempts to give
Not a holy book. Just fiction thrown out by stupid people thousands of years ago that had zero idea how anything at all works other than farming, fishing, and war. Not even written by the same people, or at the same times.
TLDR: You’re a fucking idiot if you follow any of those bullshit lies and hate…
that had zero idea how anything at all works other than farming, fishing, and war.
They wrote these stories 2000 years ago, what should had they know about? IDK about the whole bible but in the life of jesus story there are some good passages such as preventing a woman from being stoned. The bible wasn’t entirely invented out of anything, it draw influences from other traditions and philosophies that merged in the area
that story isn’t in the earliest copies we’ve found
tl;dr: You’re a fucking dangerously infectious idiot if you follow any of those bullshit lies and hate. We, as a species, need you to get better.
FTFY
Going out of your way to reach the fringes of society is a pretty good thing to do. So is forgiveness and extra chances. Not seeing anyone as irredeemable.
You are spreading hate.
Is this in response to a thing going around Christian circles where they say the Bible contains 65,000 hyperlinks, and humans couldn’t have done that so it must have been God?
This “hyperlink” business is based on a similar graphic that someone put together and it really is pretty. Each “hyperlink” is supposedly a part of the Bible that references another part of the Bible. But I could never find their data, although they sell a print of the graphic.
I did once find a website that documented 100,000 Bible “hyperlinks” and the data there is absolutely a joke. Like, any verse that mentions the word “good” is a hyperlink to every other verse that uses that word
