• Torvum@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Sounds like confirmation bias. Agnosticism is probably the most reasonable take you can live by. If there’s a universe so unimaginably big, how is it impossible to think there could be an entity so unimaginably beyond our existence. As we are to bacteria, say.

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      1 year ago

      I think the vastness of the universe makes it even less likely for a creator being, due to the pointlessness of it all. If there was a god they could make our galaxy work without a universe to support it, and we wouldve never been the wiser.

      It is more likely that natural forces due to physics and chemistry created the universe, the galaxys, our planet, and us. There is most likely some constant expansion and contraction that repeats, which continues the cycle of death and rebirth over and over again forever. There is no beginning and there is no end, there is no purpose except for the purpose you make for yourself and your loved ones.

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        1 year ago

        It’s arrogance to think you’re even on the right path of anything imo. Personally why agnosticism is the only logical outcome. There’s things we can observe and understand and then things so far beyond us and possibly beyond our perception that there is no other word than arrogant to describe anyone who claims to say they’re correct over another. I speak on both chronically online atheists and chronically in pulpit theists. It’s fun to theorize and discuss, but when it comes to putting someone else down because their view of what’s possible is different from yours, that’s cringe.

        Sure it seems probable to believe there isn’t some creator, but there’s literally no possible way to know. If some entity or entities capable of creating the universe existed, I’d assume they’d also have the power to just not be noticed. There’s just no way of knowing, which makes our purpose as you said, individual to those around us and ourselves.

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          We can know that certain gods are false simply because they are logically incoherent, but sure, the non falsifiable concepts are simply that, non falsifiable. I’m atheist because I don’t believe in a god, not necessarily because I believe any specific god doesn’t exist.

          I’m with you that putting others down for their beliefs is cringy, but we shouldn’t pretend that having a belief in a god without evidence to back it up is reasonable. There absolutely is a way to know a creator exists, and if they’re powerful enough to create the universe, they know exactly how to demonstrate that.

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            1 year ago

            I don’t think it needs to be reasonable if it gives them comfort in life and i don’t pretend it is. I just think they’re allowed the right to have that thought and defend it if they choose.

            But I don’t think it’s guaranteed to think a creator would want to be known. Maybe the concept of god had motive to stay unnoticed. We’d never know. The mystery is the fun, not the moral superioriterino.

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      I agree in a way. We really can’t rule out a being superior to us so far ahead that god is what we should call it.

      Now when someone blows up a building with a backpack bomb or criminalizes birth control do you think that their definition of God is that one?

      Arguing these hypotheticals is fun but it is academic.