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  • Another thing to consider is that Melkor was never known to show understanding or mercy to his servants who failed him. I would have to think that any balrog who failed to come to his aid would have been killed (or worse as you postulate) as soon as Morgoth was freed.

    Hah, now I’m imagining an alternate, sillier Arda where the balrogs had the same conversation as the villain’s abused lackeys did at the end of Disney’s Hercules. (A really underappreciated movie, IMO. Just don’t watch it expecting it to be about the Greek myth.)

    He’s not going to be happy when he gets out of there.

    You mean if he gets out of there!

    If. If is good…


  • There’s nothing wrong with it in the moral sense, but I’m not sure it was a good idea. This guy was ultimately successful. However, he had to spend years living very modestly, working very hard, and borrowing money. That whole time, he was under a huge amount of stress because the whole endeavor could easily have ended in failure, leaving him with nothing.

    That’s not something most people would want to do even if they were capable of it, and I actually wonder if he would have been better off if he had gotten a normal job instead. He wouldn’t have as much money as he does, but he would still be quite comfortable, he wouldn’t have gone through panic-attack levels of stress, and maybe he would have married and had a child (which made him very, very happy) a lot earlier than he actually did.


  • I talked to a guy who was trying to found a start-up and I asked him why he was doing it. He said “Because I’m unemployable.” Another person I know is working on it because she eventually wants to be in a position where no one can tell her what to do. Not being OK with working for other people seems like it might be a common trait.

    I do know one guy who went through with it simply because he thought that the thing that he invented was so cool that he couldn’t stop working on it. I suppose that’s also not something a normal person would do, but it’s more positive.



  • I think you know much more about the legendarium than I do, but I want to nitpick one point:

    Also, there were no more than 3 or 7 balrogs ever according to later writings by Tolkien, which indicates that no balrog was weak or cowardly.

    I think I should have phrased what I said differently. No balrog was weak or cowardly in an absolute sense. Durin’s Bane attacked and defeated all the dwarves of Khazad Dum at the height of their power. It wasn’t initially afraid of Gandalf. However, Ungoliant was another matter. She had consumed the light of the Two Trees and overcome Melkor himself. She might also have been capable of doing something far worse to a Maia than destroying its body and banishing its spirit. I think that though the balrogs were able to drive her away, their victory was not inevitable and I can imagine even a balrog faltering when called to face such a foe.


  • Speaking of “data is beautiful”, IMO a 2D scatter plot would be very useful for visualizing this relationship. This chart does provide the distribution for each language, as opposed to just the average, but at the expense of making correlation (or lack thereof) difficult to see.

    Also, the ratio of the largest to the smallest value for syllables per second and for bits per second appears to be fairly similar. I have to eyeball values but it looks like Japanese : Thai is 8.0 : 4.7 for syllables per second (so 1.7) whereas French : Thai is 48 : 34 (so 1.4) for bits per second.

    For each language, the distribution of syllable rate looks very much like the distribution of bit rate. I would like to see a chart of bits per syllable. Oh, and I wonder how this affects reading speed and the rate of information transfer via reading, especially for different spoken languages that use similar written characters.



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    That’s true in a trivial sense: there’s no law of nature that enforces verisimilitude in any work of fiction. However, most authors aim for verisimilitude, and the good ones achieve it. I’m not talking about the top speeds of balrogs because I think there’s some objective answer, but rather because I think that Tolkein does achieve verisimilitude (at least in some regards) and therefore there is a foundation for discussing the traits of his fictional beings. He easily could have given balrogs rocket skates, but he didn’t.


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    The balrog in Moria was chasing the fellowship. If it could move at 400 mph (by any means) then it would have caught them immediately. We know that some balrogs are weaker than others since it is said that Gothmog was the mightiest. My conclusion is that if the balrogs literally flew by mundane means to Melkor’s aid, then the balrog in Moria was particularly weak (and cowardly) and did not participate in rescuing Melkor. I presume that’s also why it hid deep underground for so long rather than fighting and being banished along with the other balrogs.

    With that said, I think Melkor summoned the balrogs to himself by magical means (but they can’t teleport on their own). None of them could go 400 mph. That’s just silly. They’re not Sonic the Hedgehog. I also think that balrogs can’t fly. The word “wings” is a metaphor for the way flames spread from them.

    (I don’t claim that the text rules out the possibility of wings and flight. The balrog might have fallen with Gandalf because they fought a metaphysical battle, dragged down by the “weight of its sin”.)

    Edit: I think we actually agree. I’m just elaborating.

    Edit 2: I found a picture that shows what I think a balrog’s “wings” look like.