Don’t get me wrong. Apple removing audio jack was the biggest facepalm in smartphone history. And you can thank it for not being able to make an upgrade without sacrificing audio jack (and SD card too :/). But USB-C is getting standardized everywhere now (laptops, smartphones, etc.). What makes USB-C earphones not worth the switch?

  • pH3ra@lemmy.mlBanned
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    3 years ago

    USB-C is getting standardized everywhere now

    3.5 mm has been a standard from the motherfisting 1950s

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    3 years ago

    I haven’t seen a single phone that has more than one USB-C port, and I would like to listen to stuff while these these phones charge their miniscule batteries.

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    3 years ago

    Because it needs an extra dongle that isn’t free and most headphones use an ordinary audio jack.

    Charging while listening.

    And above all, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

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      3 years ago

      Exactly, most headphones that I like are wired with an ordinary audio jack. I don’t really feel inclined to get new headphones for a new phone, and a phone without an audio jack just makes things more difficult for me.

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    3 years ago
    1. USB headphones require new drivers constantly.
    2. USB headphones are likely to use proprietary apps for basic features like noise cancellation.
    3. Audio jacks use significantly less power/processing compared to USB.
    4. Audio jacks do not hog usb bus lanes, which may or may not be an issue for mobile, but on PC it is.
    5. USB headphones are in general significantly lower quality, because studio equipment uses 3.5mm or other standard jacks (XLR for microphones for example) as they cause the lowest interference.
    6. USB introduces overhead latency which is a no-go for production use.
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    3 years ago

    Because all USB C to 3.5mm Aux adapters are flimsy as mother fuckers that break down after two months use. I would not even care otherwise, I never charge and listen at same time anyway.

    If anyone has suggestions for adapter that is not made out of thinnest possible wire and is durable, let me know.

    Also, I don’t want to buy USB-C headphones, since I would only use those with my phone, I want to use them also on other devices, and for compatibility it is better to have it analog instead of USB-C. If I were to buy headphones for phone only, I would just get wireless.

    I often have use cases at work where I have to plug in my headphones to device I am not familiar with, for audio troubleshooting at our customers device. Most of the times USB is not an option, only standard analog audio.

    Modern laptops also come with way too few USB ports, 2.0 and C combined, so I rather not waste one for audio since there is no reason for audio to go through USB. On my main PC I don’t use my internal soundcard but external audio interface for music production, and I want my headphones connected to that, not USB.

    So in conclusion, USB-C headphones would be totally worthless to me, no matter the device. Even for phone, I rather go with adapter, or just wireless ones.

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    3 years ago

    Downsides of usb-c headphones:

    1. Bluetooth security risk surface, exposes your phone to more attacks. (Nobody has mentioned this yet)

    2. Most/all phones have a single usb-c port. Charging and using headphones difficult

    3. Usb-c port placement is awkwardly on bottom of phone while must headphone jacks are on top of the phone. Plugging in your headphones on the bottom of the phone with a dongle is awkward.

    4. The entire process of using a usb-c dongle or using Bluetooth headphones makes the entire system more complicated. KISS (keep it simple). The more complexity there is that can go wrong, the worse the experience. If I’m taking a important conference call, I want my audio to just work.

    Not directly related: the whole point of removing the headphone jack was to sell airpods. First apple, then android, and even fair phone. Each time the jack is removed to push sales of the branded Bluetooth ear buds. It’s a user hostile move.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/apple-airpods-success

    The excuse may be to save money, Space, water rating, but the reason is increased sales.

    I personally still use a pixel 5A which had a headphone jack only because it’s the B tier phone for markets where people are less likely to also buy the airpods.

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      3 years ago

      This is a good example of the general enshitificstion of a service. Make part of the experience worse to drive sales or engagement with another part of the service. Just like Reddit, just like Twitter… It’s user hostile. It means the marketplace is failing

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      3 years ago

      I have a headphone jack and it’s on the bottom of my phone next to the USB?

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    3 years ago

    The fact that there is more than one “standard” for USB-C audio is enough to hate it.

    Analog 3.5mm just works with everything. No dongles, no drivers, no “unsupported device”, no batteries.

    It. Just. Works.

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    3 years ago

    Let’s invert the question: what makes it worth the switch? If I’m going to change something, you have to prove why it’s worth, not me proving why I shouldn’t.

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    3 years ago

    And just when you have everything setup with USB-C, here comes the new connection standard, USB-D. Eliminating the audio jack is about planned obsolesce.

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    3 years ago

    I need a special adapter to charge my phone simultaneously

    Also, I can’t connect it without an adapter to my car, my headphones or my home cinema stereo

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    3 years ago

    It requires extra hardware to get the same functionality I’d have by having a traditional jack.

    Also the excuses these companies make up for removing it are always silly. No, the phone isn’t too thin to have one* – that’s always marketing BS. It’s always, always, always to save the pennies it costs to add a headphone jack. Those pennies of course add up during manufacturing.

    They can save costs in that way because some people don’t care. It makes a simple headphone jack seem like a nothing feature, and the narrative can be pushed that those who want it are simply latching on to the past. Something similar happens with the arguments for and against physical buttons vs. touch screens, especially in cars.

    *there is a YouTube video (I believe by Strange Parts) where they add a headphone jack to an iPhone which Apple had explicitly claimed was too thin to have one.

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    3 years ago

    It seems like you are assuming that the only device that I want to use headphones with is my phone.

    I’m a musician. I’ve got tons of audio equipment I’ve accumulated over decades, most of which use a typical analog headphone jack. So if I fully switched to USB-C or Bluetooth headphones, I would need to get a powered adapter of some kind that would then digitize what likely would have been a purely analog signal up until that point, just so it can be re-converted back to analog.

    Or I could have sperate headphones just for my phone. Which seems silly.

    So I took the 3rd option: got a phone with a headphone jack. The Xperia still has a micro SD card too.

    Also I have dabbled in soldering circuits and doing basic repairs. I can easily replace most analog jacks and repair most cables. USB C… It’s possible, and I will try to learn to work with it eventually, but it’s always going to be more annoying to work with because it has many more, smaller pins.

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    3 years ago

    Everyone’s favourite old headphones not having a USB cable is likely to be the main reason.

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    3 years ago

    i don’t even use headphones, however I don’t like buying new things that have less features then my old things, so I keep buying phones that have both sd slot and a 3.5mm jack…
    however i had to give up 2 sims + sd in my latest phone… Combined slots are such a stupid idea (1 sim + sd/2 sims)