• obvs@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    What international alternatives exist for YouTube? And I understand RedNote as an alternative for TikTok, but YouTube fills a little bit of a different niche.

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      22 hours ago

      Peertube is the obvious candidate, but I’m not sold on the content.

      I use nebula.tv, many of the creators I like are there too. You pay somerhing, but their business model is not too bad imho.

      Floatplane is somewhat similar, but LMG is involved, which I don’t love.

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          13 hours ago

          They can not keep themselves out of drama for more than 6 months at a time. The whole situation with M left a bad taste in my mouth even though they were found legally clean. All of the other dramas that have occurred that might not be such a big deal on their own, but when they are all coming from one company it starts to paint a picture.

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        11 hours ago

        feel like thats specific to pirated media. i remember i watch pirated shows on there all the time.

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        23 hours ago

        Allas, if you want to stay away from YouTube, you’ll also want to stay away from Dailymotion. This platform is owned by Vincent Bolloré who is also the owner of the “Groupe Canal” (which includes “CNews”, the french equivalent to Fox News) and a number of different far-right media. Moving to Dailymotion is not exacly what I would call a smart one.

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        23 hours ago

        I don’t think it’s possible for PeerTube to scale to a size where it would be capable of competing with Youtube.

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          22 hours ago

          PeerTube is just software. It’s a decentralized network. It doesn’t have to scale to that size. You can have a million servers handling the storage and streaming in a more efficient method and democratize the bandwidth.

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              22 hours ago

              Same people that pay for lemmy. Us.

              It doesn’t take much to host peertube TBH. And with each peertube instance, the videos get easier to host. It scales very well with the current iteration of software.

              The two biggest issues are actually not software related:

              1. A platform is only as good as its users (creators and users who interact). Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.
              2. Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don’t see it.

              Im pretty happy with what it does NOW. I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube. I like my friends and family (and sometimes us weirdos) looking at my videos. And I like the slow trickle of people hosting their videos on say makertube, peertube.wtf, and other such platforms. They seem like really fun individuals and im having a blast.

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                22 hours ago

                The two biggest issues are actually not software related

                I disagree, the biggest issues are related to discoverability, and most certainly software-related.

                Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.

                Not necessarily. They only need to agree to allow an instance to mirror their content, and possibly one day contribute something to it in the event that it becomes popular enough. For now, consent is really all that’s required. The only revenue they’re missing out on is AdSense.

                Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don’t see it.

                Patreon is one of many different ways to generate revenue. Most popular Youtubers are diversifying in various ways. The most effective of which is creating their own products and using their channels to promote them. Affiliate links/codes is another way smaller creators can diversify.

                I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube.

                As always, with freedom comes abuse. Youtube has a lot of regulations that can be cumbersome but also can protect creators and users.

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              22 hours ago

              Hosts and users who want their stuff available to their audience without YouTube’s bullshit.

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        23 hours ago

        /c/peertube@lemmy.world

        There’s a couple Lemmy communies out there where we showcase different channels.

        https://lemmy.world/c/peertube

        Check out top for a decent selection. It’s a somewhat new community but we are growing fast. It’s federated and has some hidden gems from people. Has a very early YouTube feel.

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          22 hours ago

          True.

          Peertube has been hamstrung by a very poorly-made design decision early on.

          It’s my understanding that peertube copies all of the content from hosts it federates with. That’s a huge waste of storage and the main reason why most peertube instances hardly federate with anything.

          Instead, peertube developers should implement the option for servers to duplicate data, or simply load the data through a link to a server that hosts it.

          It’s still young and they’ve done a pretty good job with everything except this fundamental flaw. Hopefully if enough people hear about this idea and promote it, we can see it implemented and then Peertube can really take off.

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          22 hours ago

          User experience can be improved pretty easily.

          The important parts are already there.

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            21 hours ago

            Easier said than done. Reason after all these years it still hasn’t been addressed.

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                20 hours ago

                As an engineer with almost 2 decades of experience (including streaming sites)… It is.

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                  20 hours ago

                  Well, we’d have to be more specific about what parts of the “user experience” we’re talking about here in order to make that assessment.

                  I’m mostly talking about discoverability, the default algorithms, the lack of federation, and a way to actually filter content by language.

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      20 hours ago

      There really isn’t one. That’s why they feel that they can do whatever they feel like. They have no real competition for the type of service they offer.