I’m mildly confused on what this means exactly in that situation, but I guess it was not appropriate to say something like I did out of nowhere. Sorry for the bad mood.
To be very clear, no racism is acceptable, systemic or not. I just feel that putting attention on racism against whites serves the right-wing theories of the replacement and such BS, and that’s unacceptable.
cw: white person’s take on racism and race relations
you’re right that complaints about anti-white racism are usually just racists making noise, and also that systemic racism against whites doesn’t really exist because the social power dynamic in place favors white people. a white person still however might experience interpersonal racism, and while this too needs to be examined and understood in the context of the prevailing white-preferential power dynamic, it isn’t not racism just because it’s not institutional.
i want to be explicit and clear that i am not attempting to equate the odd moment of relatively tame discrimination experienced here and there by the average white person to the adversity experienced by non-white people every fucking day of their lives without cessation.
rather i’m just very dissatisfied with the notion that aggression against someone based on their racial characteristics somehow ever isn’t racism. worse, the implication that there must be a systemic element present for something to be “racism” leads to the conclusion that a black man who virulently hates latinos cannot be a racist, because black people do not have institutional power over latinos - which is very obviously nonsense.
as near as i can tell this idea derives from the old slogan “racism equals prejudice plus power” which is fine as shorthand for the idea that institutional racism, like, fucking exists, but lately seems to have been reduced to a kind of thought-terminating cliche that gets hauled out and spat in peoples faces as a “fuck you anyway” in lieu of seizing on a teachable moment.
which of these would you respond better to? “abuse against you doesn’t count because of your inherent unchangeable physical characteristics”, or “yeah that really sucks that that happened to you, feels shitty doesn’t it? now imagine that’s your entire life everywhere you go.” one is just going to make a person harden up and double down. the other might actually get someone thinking about shit, and that’s how we win, by invoking empathy in hearts and minds instead of making everything into adversarial bullshit when it doesn’t need to be.
it’s inaccurate, adds to the noise, sows division, and does less than nothing to change anyone’s mind.
that said op meme is hilarious and dude needs to chill tf out. also that podcast is really good.
Genuinely teaching ! Thank you for putting in the effort of writing such a detailed reply !
it’s inaccurate, adds to the noise, sows division, and does less than nothing to change anyone’s mind.
Yep that’s fair, I can only agree with that. You second paragraph captures what I wanted to express, but it was inappropriate from me to just throw that as a sarcastic comment under a funny post.
In the US ‘racism against whites’ is acknowledging common trends. Racism against everyone else is stereotypes based on misinformed racist caricatures. I don’t mean that sarcastically, that is literally how it works in the US.
Ah yes, racism against whites 🙃
I found the comment I knew would be here, with the text I knew would be in it, at the up/down ratio I expected it to be at.
Idk if there is any way to interpret this without you coming across terribly.
GJ!
Claiming that racism against whites is a thing
Is it really that controversial of a position ? Am I missing something important ?
Racism doesn’t have to be systemic.
More to the point though it’s your pearl clutching in either direction with that statement. As if it isn’t possible OR laughing at the possibility.
I’m mildly confused on what this means exactly in that situation, but I guess it was not appropriate to say something like I did out of nowhere. Sorry for the bad mood.
To be very clear, no racism is acceptable, systemic or not. I just feel that putting attention on racism against whites serves the right-wing theories of the replacement and such BS, and that’s unacceptable.
cw: white person’s take on racism and race relations
you’re right that complaints about anti-white racism are usually just racists making noise, and also that systemic racism against whites doesn’t really exist because the social power dynamic in place favors white people. a white person still however might experience interpersonal racism, and while this too needs to be examined and understood in the context of the prevailing white-preferential power dynamic, it isn’t not racism just because it’s not institutional.
i want to be explicit and clear that i am not attempting to equate the odd moment of relatively tame discrimination experienced here and there by the average white person to the adversity experienced by non-white people every fucking day of their lives without cessation.
rather i’m just very dissatisfied with the notion that aggression against someone based on their racial characteristics somehow ever isn’t racism. worse, the implication that there must be a systemic element present for something to be “racism” leads to the conclusion that a black man who virulently hates latinos cannot be a racist, because black people do not have institutional power over latinos - which is very obviously nonsense.
as near as i can tell this idea derives from the old slogan “racism equals prejudice plus power” which is fine as shorthand for the idea that institutional racism, like, fucking exists, but lately seems to have been reduced to a kind of thought-terminating cliche that gets hauled out and spat in peoples faces as a “fuck you anyway” in lieu of seizing on a teachable moment.
which of these would you respond better to? “abuse against you doesn’t count because of your inherent unchangeable physical characteristics”, or “yeah that really sucks that that happened to you, feels shitty doesn’t it? now imagine that’s your entire life everywhere you go.” one is just going to make a person harden up and double down. the other might actually get someone thinking about shit, and that’s how we win, by invoking empathy in hearts and minds instead of making everything into adversarial bullshit when it doesn’t need to be.
it’s inaccurate, adds to the noise, sows division, and does less than nothing to change anyone’s mind.
that said op meme is hilarious and dude needs to chill tf out. also that podcast is really good.
🙏🏼👏🏼
Genuinely teaching ! Thank you for putting in the effort of writing such a detailed reply !
Yep that’s fair, I can only agree with that. You second paragraph captures what I wanted to express, but it was inappropriate from me to just throw that as a sarcastic comment under a funny post.
In the US ‘racism against whites’ is acknowledging common trends. Racism against everyone else is stereotypes based on misinformed racist caricatures. I don’t mean that sarcastically, that is literally how it works in the US.
Source: am white.
TIL, thanks !
It’s always surprising to find out how differently this problem is perceived / acknowledged / dealt with in US vs. in Europe or elsewhere.