Just like Tyler the creator… Hasan and cenk must be a couple years away from a seminal album
The west has stopped quietly committing genocide against the wishes of it’s people, started forcibly and loudly committing genocide against the desperate cries of it’s people.
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The Israel regime is deliberately fostering hate against Jews to bolster their domestic power. They are literally antisemites. It’s what fascists crave.
Lmao. Death to israel
Jews who support Israel are traitors to their own culture.
Eat shit.
Lemmy is awash with it.
And Cenk still won’t change the name of his media organization from the perpetrators of the Armenian genocide he spent most of his life denying…
Even know, he just admits the Aremenian genocide could be considered a genocide. But refusing to change the name of his company.
I don’t know how or why genocide deniers are ever considered “the good guys”.
Loads of conflicts is two groups of assholes fighting.
But there are podcasters out there who don’t support any genocide too…
Omg shut the fuck up, we know he’s a hypocrite. Everyone here knows this and agrees with you. But this is a much larger issue than one dildo’s genocide denial. You’re effectively muting discussion about ever-more authoritarian western governments unilaterally silencing dissent in favor of your pet soapbox. I’m willing to bet that everyone in this thread is 100% in agreement with you about Cenk but for the love of god please have a sense of priorities, talk about Cenk’s hypocrisy somewhere that your energy will actually make a difference and not incidentally make it look like you don’t give a fuck about Palestinian genocide (Because I’m guessing you do care about that [edit: Now in doubt]). Please.
You’re effectively muting discussion
No, I’m saying we shouldnt listen to a family of millionaires who made their money denying genocide on how bad genocide is…
Finding someone who agrees no genocide is valid, isn’t a tall order.
And speaking out against genocide denial, is never a bad thing
I’m not just going to ignore it because your favorite streamer does it buddy
Stop doing shit lib idpol purity tests here, you are effectively doing Israel’s work
I don’t even sub to Piker but you do know that he is at odds with his uncle over that and other issues, right? He would agree with your stance on the Armenian genocide. He didn’t leave TYT without reason. Anyway, the UK is picking and choosing which foreigners get to advocate which issues on UK soil in order to foment complicity with a current and ongoing genocide, and apparently you’re in favor of that so you can have a very lovely day, thank you (Edited previous removed comment in bold to comply with mod rules on “incivility”).
Isn’t it nicer when we all get along?
Sorry for breakin da law
We’re internet persons (and goofuses), not cops you have a nice day yourself
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I don’t even like Hasan, it’s annoying how much “moderates” have forced me to be on his side lately.
I love Hasan. I wish more privileged voices were as concise and consistent and forceful on left issues like he is. If there were several dozen more people like him we wouldn’t all have to couch our support for their advocacy with a milquetoast disclaimer about how we “don’t even like them”.
Hell, I’m a vegan and an anarchist. He regularly throws those aspects of my identity under the bus to offer a fig leaf to the unconvinced in his audience so that they listen to more central leftist ideas, and still I love him for that. He has millions of followers, I cannot fathom how impactful he has been to leftist advocacy all over the world in the past 5 years. I’m so fucking sick of people putting disclaimers on their support for him. I don’t even sub to him and I love the guy. I know what critical support means and I give him my critical support on full blast.
Don’t get me wrong, he seems like a good guy, but react streamers are objectively the lowest form of entertainer.
Putting someone else’s content up on stream then walking off while your audience watches it is pretty… off putting.
About half of his content is interviews with activists / politicians and live-on-the-ground protest coverage. His “react” coverage is mostly training his audience to digest mainstream newsmedia through a leftist lens rather than dramaslop-type takes.
but react streamers are objectively the lowest form of entertainer.
I thought that was intersection jugglers but like, you’ll never guess what I do during the day. Now I gotta get a new entertainment job.
So you’d agree with him that the UK is now a fascist state
You love a con man
Yes
“Now”? It’s not a new development.
He thinks “ I have a pretty big audience, I better endorse DNC candidates to ensure I don’t push the needle too far left” and that fucking sucks.
I understand and feel your frustration. I don’t think he’s a bad guy, though, personally. And highlighting stories like this is only good, don’t you think? He’s a popular guy, being refused entry for holding and expressing popular views. This should be made common knowledge, don’t you think?
Yes, you’re right!
The people that need to actively attack Hasan in this day and age are almost categorically active supporters of this current status quo.
They’re not even just opponents of the left anymore. They’re just present to wreck any civil spaces to cause infighting.
Everyone pointing fingers at the name Young Turks had better not be a fan of Blondie or Joy Division.
I sometimes watch TYT with Cenk and I have no clue why the UK decided to ban him over that.
What a bunch of chocolate starfishes…
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Hes not banned
The word banned comes up a lot in the article for him not being banned.
I would bet it’s only because he is a relative of hasan.
When I told my husband some Labour politician is calling for this he said it’s not going to be taken seriously. He was surprised and dissapointed to find out the country that says it’s terrorism to hold a sign also bans even ultra-centrist Cenk Ughyr for not being a zionist.
I actually agree with Novara that Piker shouldn’t be barred from entering the UK but this headline is very misleading.
The UK government has said the ban is because of his use of ‘“antisemitic tropes, such as the claim that Israel controls America” and comments about grooming gangs he made on Piers Morgan’s YouTube show’ and because of his support of a ‘proscribed terror group’ (i.e., Hamas). Nothing to do with his support of Palestine (I don’t think that Hamas represents Palestinians any more than I think that Putin’s party represents Russians).
- hasan has been an avowed opponent of anti-semitism for his entire career, he has very consistently made a distinction between zionism and jews
- hasan has never been on piers’ show
- hasan hasn’t supported hamas and he has criticised them for human rights violations, but he has, quite rightly, pointed out that hamas is better than israel, because israel has killed 80,000+ innocent civillians in palestine as part of their genocide, whereas hamas is a resistance movement against a nuclear state supported by the world’s largest military superpower
the media constantly lies to defend israel
I actually agree with you, but this comment is misleading. The UK Government has said none of those things and has not made any statement on this as referenced by “The Home Office has been contacted for comment.”
The first quote was from The Community Security Trust, and the second from The Times.
Well, I actually agree with you, but actually the first quote was from The Times and the second quote was from Labour MP David Taylor.
I just thought it was fair to extrapolate that the reasons the government banned him were the same as those who publicly called for the ban, not separate reasons that no one who actually supports the decision has cited.
Support for Palestine that isn’t completely toothless requires supporting their right to violently resist their occupation. Because the UK gov proscribes any group that attempts to achieve that end, they have effectively barred support for the Palestinian right to freedom from the occupation.
Good. We don’t need helmets like that entering our land to spread their ridiculous unrealistic viewpoints.
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Them: “Stop killing innocent civilians. Killing innocent is bad, m’kay?”
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You: “We don’t need helmets like that entering our land to spread their ridiculous unrealistic viewpoints.”
History, in the making, and you loudly declare you wanna be on the wrong side. Interesting choice.
I’m a harm-reduction voter, I’m a lesser evil voter, and therefore I would vote for Hamas over Israel every single time.
That’s the kind of shit they were blocked by the Home Office for. An actual quote, not your made up bollocks.
And you’re vocally against the lesser evil and harm reduction. So big of you.
ETA Didn’t notice the .world. That explains it.
Keep brigading all palestine threads, you’re doing god’s work.
I understand history, and want to be on the right side of it. Pity you don’t.
Aww, good for you. You’re changing the world.
Am i? Are you developingfeelings for me…?! D’aaaw! Sorry, it’s unrequited.
if you only had the choice between hamas and likud/israel, would you side with the people that constantly have their homes stolen, are systematically oppressed and treated as less than human for decades? the palestinians first protested peacefully against the occupation which was just dictated to them by the british and were brutally beaten down. then they protested with stones and were shot and murdered. when they took the rifles in their own hand in complete desparation they were labeled terrorists. that is how the whole thing works, you cant just look at the last 3 years and think you see the whole picture without context. if the israelis would respect them as humans and their territorial borders it would be a different story.
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So you don’t believe in Free Speech?
Are you a coward too afraid to let Hasan’s words reach your precious ears lest they change your mind?
Or are you just an authoritarian who pretends they care about things other than retaining power and control over what is allowed and what isn’t in society?
Hassan and Cenk do paid agitprop for the UK’s adversaries. Why should any country let them come over and tour around the country undermining the government and bolstering conspiracy and driving extremists on both sides. Bet there here to do their favourite thing, undermine a liberal left government so the far right can win.
Hassan and Cenk do paid agitprop for the UK’s adversaries.
Considering the UK is supporting genocide, maybe the UK’s adversaries are in the right here, and agitprop is good because it might put a stop to genocide?
Fucken moron holy shit.
You are the moron for eating up Genocide Denial Propaganda like it is tasty Mac and Cheese.
The UK is evil, I completely support your adversaries
Of course you do ml
Hows the revolution going larper?
China is completely on track to beat the West so pretty well I’d say.
Better than whatever you’re doing dipshit
The UK is not under a liberal left government, and if you think Labor is even close to not being far right you’re actually deluded.
it can’t be far right because it has labour on his name 🤓
“Labour is far right”, you heard it here first folks.
Sure, they’re not left enough by any definition, but far right and not even close to not being far right?
“Labour is far right”, you heard it here first folks.
Oh come on, hahahahaha you honestly think Labour is not a rightwing party?
facepalm
It certainly isn’t left enough, under certain conditions I might agree that it is center-right but it absolutely isn’t right-wing or far-right
What does the following fall under? As a fun game I’ve included three quotes or headlines regarding Nigel Farage, and six regarding Starmer or the labor government. I can guarantee you will not be able to pick out the Farage ones (I have paraphrased to make googling them and cheating that way difficult.
Answered Yes under oath when asked whether he knew his staffer continued a long-term relationship with Jeffery Epstein after Epstein’s 2008 conviction.
According to an FIDH report they have repeatedly lobbied for legislation and policy that directly supports and upholds the Israeli genocidal state, even when said policies would directly harm the UK and its citizens.
His attacks on Palestinian protestors — and protestors in general have been called a driving voice behind the single greatest regression in democracy in the UK since the Thatcher government.
He has stated Israel “has the right” to withhold, as well as disable all domestic sources of, power and water for Gaza.
He has “transformed the labour party to a place where Jews are welcome again” – t(his one is easy, just hilariously direct.)
During his campaigning he has directly called into question the nationalization of the NHS and has argued limited to full privatization would directly benefit UK citizens.
During his campaign and through his time as a politician, he has directly and consistently worked against the Trans agenda, even when it was unpopular to do so.
His advisors have been anonymously quoted as saying “he does not believe trans women are women” and has publicly stated there was a ‘desperate need’ for trans people to identify themselves in public spaces as trans.
He has been quoted multiple times as saying the UK’s “Open Border’s” Policy needs to be ended and that it should not be so easy for “asylum seekers” to be granted asylum.
And here’s one more for free:
He has stated the “Open Borders” Policy from previous governments has been a squalid chapter in British history and has left “stains” on the “british way of life.” In the same vein, he has rallied against “immigrant rape gangs” using “legal loopholes” to come into the country.
spoiler
Not a single one was about Farage.
I like this game. You missed the one where he recreated Enoch Powell’s “Rivers of blood” speech.
it literally is lol, that’s just the state of UK politics these days.
On migration and trans rights they’re cleaving pretty right wing.
On economics, they’re still quite centre-left-ish.
And since everything is polarised these days, they get to be centre-left to the right, and moderate right to the left.
Right wing on migration? Don’t make us laugh.
His name is 5 letters long and is right there in the post title and you still can’t get it right. Reminds me of Fox News hosts intentionally stumbling over and mispronouncing “Mamdani”. At some point it stops being fat fingers or illiteracy and is just bare islamophobia.
Dude one of my friends last names is Hasid but my phone always autocarrots to Hassid. You are jumping at shadows.
That’s just absurd. If I spell Nat Turner “Natt Turner” does that somehow make me anti-black?
Intentionally so? Yes, if you’re being intentionally disrespectful about a black person’s identity that does put you under scrutiny of being anti-black. Is this is a difficult concept for you?
How are you certain of OP’s deliberate misspelling the name, though? It seems to me like you’re looking to strip OP of their credibility by any means possible, up to and including frivolous accusations of racism.
They’ve made posts as of 30 minutes ago, that comment has been up for 11 hours, they’ve neither replied or corrected it. I wasn’t born yesterday, I’m done erring on the side of accident with regards to racism and genocide, you can continue bending backward for them if you like. I’ve seen your statements elsewhere in this thread, I know where you stand.
Honestly I generally just block people who accuse others of racism over typos. Fediverse is so much better without y’all
Time zones you moron. I went to sleep and ive been at work since then. Its just because I work with a guy called hassan and I’m used to seeing his name spelt that way.
But its even crazier to equate misspelling Hasans name with racism or genocide. You are a nutcase and Hasan wilI never see your white knighting.
FYI you were posting in your sleep.
Also can’t help but notice, you still haven’t fixed it.
You’re playing with a false symmetry.
they’re* When you make dumb mistakes on something so easy it makes you look like you’re not well read. If your inane take wasn’t enough, that definitely gives it away.
It’s still weird everyone ignores Cenk named his organization after the perpetrators of the Armenian genocide…
Armenian Genocide, campaign of deportation and mass killing conducted against the Armenian subjects of the Ottoman Empire by the Young Turk government during World War I (1914–18). Armenians charge that the campaign was a deliberate attempt to destroy the Armenian people and, thus, an act of genocide. The Turkish government has resisted calls to recognize it as such, contending that, although atrocities took place, there was no official policy of extermination implemented against the Armenian people as a group.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Armenian-Genocide
Or that the only reason Hasan has a platform is he’s a nepo nephew…
What about your lazy attacks even if your perspective was right, justify banning free speech?
You are pathetic, just because you hate people like Hasan you will throw away free speech and freedom.
One day when it is too late maybe you will understand Hasan was on your side but until then keep talking it makes you look like a fool.
the only reason Hasan has a platform is he’s a nepo nephew…
Hasan’s platform is Twitch and he’s largely built up his following by doing the same influencer circuit as everyone else.
If he’s got any aces up his sleeve, they’re that he’s gorgeous, he’s quick witted, and he got in on the ground floor when DSA was blowing up
Hasan’s platform is Twitch and he’s largely built up his following by doing the same influencer circuit as everyone else.
I don’t think this is correct, both Hasan and Asmongold are a part of Night Media and I’ve seen no attempt by Hasan to leave. Hasan is also weirdly kiddy-gloved when talking about Asmongold, at least it was like this in the past.
Granted, Night Media employs a lot of people — I just don’t believe Hasan got to where he is by simply hitting the influencer lottery.
Is this some AI hallucination bullshit?
Which part? Me claiming that him winning the influencer lottery doesn’t seem random, or him working for Night Media?
Edit: Literally every source I can find attributes his success to his time in the Young Turks and The Breakdown, why the fuck are you all going to bat for a nepo baby? Is it because he says things you like?
‘Young Turks’ has a more generalized use. It’s even got a disambiguation page on wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks_(disambiguation)#Politics
The swastika is ackshullay an old Indian symbol…
The Young Turks committed multiple genocides, claiming you named it after a different organization named after the originals isn’t the slam dunk you think it is, especially considering how recent the fucking Armenian genocide is
Take it up with wikipedia and 1960s era political punditry?
Go watch more Bad Empanada you fascist
Like Hasan does?
