• mtchristo@lemm.ee
    1·
    3 years ago

    The web is beyond bloated.

    The heavy reliance on JavaScript has suck the joy out of browsing the web for me

    • AnonymousLlama@kbin.social
      0·
      3 years ago

      I’d say the over exploitation of JavaScript to leverage tracking, interaction and marketing has helped create the poor experiences we now have on web. The underlying technology when used for creating interactive and helpful UIs is very beneficial

      • grue@lemmy.ml
        0·
        3 years ago

        Web pages are supposed to be hypertext documents, not “interactive… UIs!”

          • grue@lemmy.ml
            01·
            3 years ago

            You’re “downloading an app” anyway, even if it’s JavaScript running in a browser. How do you think the client-side code gets to the client‽

            But yes, I think we need a new version of something like Java Web Start, except with the ability to steam parts of itself as-needed instead of having to download the entire .jar before being able to run. If you’re going to have an app, have an app that has proper libraries for the UI etc. instead of hacking everything on top of a whole bunch of DOM cruft!

            I guess WebAssembly is a step in the right direction, but it’s still too tied to the document viewer known as a “web browser,” for no good reason.

  • jiberish@lemmy.world
    1·
    3 years ago

    As an amateur web designer in the 90s and early 2000s, this speaks to me. I stopped web development when CSS became popular and I couldn’t wrap my head around it.

    Is there a petition I can sign to scrap all this nonsense modern web progress and go back to that beautiful, dial-up friendly HTML?

    • herrvogel@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 years ago

      I stopped doing frontend work when responsive design became important. Super unpleasant work. Now I’m happier at the backend where I don’t have to worry about how my shit looks on the 7 million possible screen sizes people are likely to use. Life is more peaceful here.

  • GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org
    01·
    3 years ago

    The web killed the Internet.

    JavaScript killed the web.

    CSS defiled its corpse.

    Honestly and without any trace of irony, I wish CSS would die and be replaced by maybe half a dozen new HTML tags to support a few specific responsive design patterns.

    CSS runs counter to the concept of HTML. Web design used to be inherently user-centric. The designer was not supposed to have much of a say in how it looked on a client’s system, because that was up to the client. The designer only provided high-level hints like “this is a paragraph” or “this is emphasized”. The browser decided how a paragraph should be displayed, which fonts to use, etc.

    Over time, visual designers clawed more and more control from the user, much to the detriment of the entire rest of the world.

    99% of web sites would be better if they conformed to basic semantic markup. Low-level design parameters should not exist on the web.

    It’s a straight line from CSS to Google’s new trusted web bullshit. It’s all about wresting control away from the user and giving it to the site designer. Fuck you, site designer. My eyeballs do not belong to you.