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ITT: folks who think Linux is too complicated or whatever, but are perfectly willing to jump through endless hoops to work around some of Windows’ deliberate hostility.
The Stockholm syndrome is real.
: folks who think Linux is too complicated or whatever, but are perfectly willing to jump through endless hoops to work around some of Windows’ deliberate hostility.
Man I realised this when I found myself running a third party program just to get my audio to simultaneously play out of multiple outputs on windows. I had regular issues with games and my killer ethernet adapter (they’re notoriously bad, but after switching to linux didn’t have any issues). Reformatting for home was getting longer and longer. Start menu search started to become slow and bogged down. Windows store was a nightmare. It was a constant battle to remove all the advertising and tracking “features”. I game, but mostly a PC for me is a tool. When a tool stops doing its job, it gets replaced.
Funnily, when I play games with my friends, I rarely have issues… but as soon as I do, they they’re pretty quick to jump down my throat about my OS of choice.
EDIT: WSL is pretty nice though, I use it on my work box.
I think Windows makes multiple audio input/output hard as a piracy measure and it drives me crazy as well. Perfectly good audio ruined the moment I plug my mic in. Makes it harder to game without a headset.
folks who think Linux is too complicated or whatever
At one point this was true, but that was many years ago.
Unfortunately, that reputation has kind of stuck.
The barriers are still too steep. My Ubuntu machine updated it’s kernel and then refused to boot after that. I had to look up how to manually lock the old working kernel.
Windows has never completely broken itself on an update for me.
If that happened to my parents they’d be angrily driving to the shop to get another cheap windows laptop.
Not really. You are underestimating how stupid the average person is. They cannot peel an orange.
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In my experience Linux usually has many more hoops…
I use Linux full time since 2020, and have known it since 2013~, but I don’t ever recommend it to anyone. It’s full of papercuts.
I actually like to be able to play games on my gaming PC so no thanks, I will stay with windows
Not really an issue for basically any game these days. The Steam Deck running Linux has changed the game significantly. I play video games exclusively on Linux. I haven’t booted into my Windows SSD in months. Honestly considering nuking it and making it a game storage drive for Linux.
The amount of Steam games compatible with Linux is about 10 000.
The amount of Steam games compatible with Windows is about 70 000.
Stop claiming gaming on Linux isn’t an issue anymore. Yeah it is getting better, but it isn’t even close to what Windows has to offer at the moment.
This isn’t the full picture of those statistics. 10097 games have Platinum or Gold on protondb, out of 11223 with any results at all. It’s not that there’s 60k games broken on Linux, it’s that there just isn’t any data on those.
The only correct thing to do here is to extrapolate from the data we have, which is around ~90% of games work on Linux. So it’s more like 63 000 vs 70 000.
Of the top 1000 games on Steam, only 38 currently don’t run at all and 744 of those are Gold or Platinum status on ProtonDB. Having nearly 3/4 of the top 1000 games work flawlessly or nearly so is enough to not need Windows.
If for some reason it’s not, you could dual boot, but I haven’t run into a game in months I could not play.
Man I don’t miss Windows. Gaming, work, etc. all done on Linux here. I don’t even use my dual boot anymore. Haven’t for months. Probably need to just fully nuke my Windows drive and make it more storage for games.
I ended my dual boot around Win XP days. I only saw the Win 8 horror in store displays, and I only installed Win11 one time. OMG it sucked - the hell was MS doing demanding I sign up a ms account to install an OS?
I can’t upvote you hard enough. I built a new machine in April when it was finally time to get off of Windows 7. I thought I’d try gaming on Linux since I heard it got so much better. Holy shit has it gotten better! In the last 5ish months I’ve only found one game I couldn’t get to run and it was a demo. Starcraft 2, the new System Shock, pretty much everything I throw at it has been great. There’s never been a better time to not have a Windows partition!
Same, built a PC this year, Intel CPU and Radeon GPU. “Dual boot” with win10 for gaming but after booting back and forth a couple times to test performance it just stays in Linux 24/7. At least I did a big NTFS partition with my Steam library on it (Proton emulated games will run on both!), so it’s not like I’m out a ton of HDD space for the unused Windows system.
at home, linux.
at work, linux.
what a wonderful world.
If only my work supported Linux - Siemens TIA Portal, Rockwel Studio 5000, Mitsubishi RSWorks3 - they’re already struggling with Window$ updates, impossible to run on anything else.
Could those be run in a VM or a vApp deployment to avoid Windows Updates breaking them?
Yeah, take the plunge! I never liked dual boot and even though I liked Linux since the late 90’s I never committed to it on my desktop due to it being mainly a gaming system. When Proton came around I dumped Windows and never regretted it :-). Especially after reading this article I’m happy I don’t have to deal with that crap!
The enshittification started at Win 8 and has picked up speed.
People don’t like to believe it but this shit started back in 95/98 or even earlier. It’s kinda what Microsoft has always done.
TLDR: Windows is now the bloatware.
Windows is getting shittier and shittier each version. Using a MacOS, even with all its flaws it’s such a clean experience compared to it.
Windows : making Linux better by comparison!
Maybe thanks to Windows being so shit, Linux will have its year soon
Yeah, I remember XP and Seven as solid OSes where everything just worked.
Now it’s a mix of crap, hey this app is in night mode, this one isn’t! Want to change a parameter? Ha ha you can’t! You want to share a folder? Good luck!
And it’s heuristics/analysis just because Windows is inherently insecure drags any pc down to a crawl…
And publicity??!
Aurgh
Edit: can I run my old CS3 Photoshop in wine or something? And 3dstudio without crazy lags? If so I’ll stop using windows completely.
Windows 7 was peak Windows. They smoothed out all the problems of Vista (plus hardware caught up to the recommended specs) and all the new tech that Vista introduced matured a bit. Was one of the nicest looking operating systems they ever released too - though that is highly subjective.
Everything after has introduced some form of garbage in it’s iteration. Windows 8 had a garbage tablet interface that sucked when used with keyboard/mouse. Like the majority of devices that it was installed on. Windows 10 rolled back some of those shit changes but was the version Microsoft started implementing their adware. Windows 11 took it to 11 and put in a bunch of hardware requirements that conveniently required you to dump some money into Intel hardware.
Been running Linux for last six months and it is crazy how much better it runs. It isn’t as cumbersome to use as the old days… But every once in a while I run into something that requires Googling and tweaking in Terminal. It’s been my best experience with the OS though going back to WAY back (Mandrake and Slackware days - or are they still around? Early 2000’s maybe???)
And the CPUs riddled with security flaws that suddenly get discovered, fixed and you lose 20% of performance overnight.
That obviously sucks but it isn’t limited to windows, right?
Why cs3 when krita would have more features and be free? Familiarity?
Because I’m used to it I guess, and I haven’t found a single app that handles pixels and transparency well.
Like zoom in like crazy, update 1 pixel, save, transparency is still there.
Haven’t looked for a bunch of years though, maybe it’s time to try again :-)
Krita’s always done transparency just fine for me. It’s pretty good these days. There’s also a built in option to set your keyboard shortcuts to the same ones that Photoshop uses.
Well then I’ll have to re-check it out :-)
Cheers
Yeah, I try never to underestimate the value of sheer familiarity. New software is like breaking in a new pair of leather shoes, sometimes you have to bleed a little before your feet adapt and you adjust it to fit.
Or a whole lot if you go the Blender route…
ive slapped mint on so many PCs… people barely know its not windows
most people only use the freakin browser
This is one of the best tools I’ve used, works really well!
I just reinstalled Windows after not having a computer for a long time. I’m glad I just happened across this beforehand because it was the best.
Everyone should use this to some extent, even just to disable tracking
It’s awesome right?? Really impressed with the tool!
God, I hate reinstalling Windows. Whenever I see “Try reinstalling Windows” as a serious solution to some tech problem on the Windows forums I feel so irritated because to get everything back to how it was (*hopefully *minus the issue) is basically a half day to full day undertaking because of all the bloat and annoying settings I have to change.
Linux never annoyed me as much as long as I put my home directory on a separate partition, though to be fair, I didn’t use it as much and was never quite as balls deep in custom settings and apps as with Windows due to Windows being a requirement for work.
I think we’re starting to see the beginning of the end of the Windows hegemony, for one reason: the success of the Steam Deck has made gaming on Linux mainstream. The two things that have always kept power users tied to Windows have been games and office, but GAMES were the big one. Suddenly, it starts to look like it might be possible to do without Windows for gaming, if not now, then soon.
I’m still on Win10 but I just can’t see myself moving to win11, it’s ugly and I hate if. If I need to get a new OS in the foreseeable future it’s gonna be Linux.
games is certainly a big appeal and will bring a lot of people over and has already frankly, but there’s still a lot of device driver issues with consumer hardware and professional level hardware that is a barrier for a lot of people
and general Windows applications that just don’t fly in Linux I guess
Once Windows 10 ceases to be supported, I’m moving to Linux. By that time, the majority, if not all the games I play and want to play will be supported.
If you’re not playing games that require kernel level anti-cheats, chances are, they already work on Linux.
If your running Steam, enable running proton in settings. If your running GoG or Epic, use Heroic Launcher.
I’ve been Linux mainly since 2019. Only thing I really go back to Windows for is Photoshop and Vegas.
ah yes windows 11 did that XD
windows 7 started shipping with an universal backdoor like wtf are we talking about
Can you elaborate on the Windows 7 elaborate backdoor?
its not that elaborate and its no secret
You’re being vague. Sounds like bullshit.
Its like I’m being vague about the color of the sky… look it up will ya?
When choosing the region/language, choose “English (World)”. Boom, bloatware be gone.
You can safely change it to your correct region once you’ve logged in (Note: the Windows Store won’t work until you do).
the Windows Store won’t work until you do
So just never do it. Noted.
Remember some ‘core’ apps, such as Paint and Calculator are delivered via the Store now too - so they’ll also be missing.
What’s annoying to me isn’t even a Microsoft product. Norton sends pop up’s and reminders every day by default after you purchase it and it drives me crazy.
Dam you solitaire.
My laptop upgraded to Windows 11. It broke the headphone jack and built in speakers. The computer just doesn’t detect them anymore. O_o
Windows 11 would CONSTANTLY turn off my headphones microphone at a hardware level. Running the “recording audio” troubleshooter was the only way to fix. Probably the only thing that windows troubleshooter fixed for me in 25 years.
Linux Mint worked out the box never going back. Feel bad for people who need Adobe.
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I refuse to update my laptop
Is it your laptop, or is it their laptop? If it’s yours, you have every right to request that they issue a corporate laptop if they need you to use Windows 11 to do your job. Otherwise, it’s time to grow up - it’s not like they’re forcing you to commit an OSHA violation.
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Your work sounds like it has no IT Security department and no HR department
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I mean…who are you kidding, you probably will.
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(Mostly) mandatory Microsoft account sign-in.
- yea you can just create a local account lol.
Setup screen asking you about data collection and telemetry settings.
- so just like some current Linux GUIs and installs that also ask this. Same with MacOS
A (skippable) screen asking you to “customize your experience.”
- just press skip like any other OS that asks.
A prompt to pair your phone with your PC.
- also skipable, and isnt even asked on a local account setup.
IDK man win11 is pretty simple to “debloat” and most of the shit in this article that they complain about is common on multiple Linux, Apple, android, etc. setup/install processes.
Win11 is dogshit for a variety of reasons, like the shitty new start menu formatting/lay out. The god awful menu nesting. The laggy audio panel. The list goes on.
If we’re gonna be nitpicking an OS. Atleast nitpick shit that actually impacts operation and isnt also common on many OS’
Edit: alright some of you keep spinning this as me defending dog shit windows 11… i never did nor did i state it was a good OS. Bunch of over zealous wierdos.
I wonder if there are any Linux distros that include ads built into their core apps and menus. Windows does. But hey, we can disable them with some obscure combination of powershell commands and registry edits… temporarily. Should we really have to put up with that kind of crapware in software that we’ve paid for?
You’re kidding yourself if you think Windows hasn’t gotten worse in this regard. And Microsoft is carefully probing exactly how much their users will tolerate - because more ads mean more money. Annoying users is only an issue if the users actually leave. So this gentle gradual slide of enshitification is very deliberate and calibrated. People are pushed to the very edge of what they’ll tolerate. If you continue to tolerate it, you’ll likely be pushed a little bit further soon enough.
This is not true. Some Linux guis and installs also ask the 15 questions Microsoft asks about data collection? What Linux is that?
There is a world of difference here… You can’t have used Linux nearly at all.
