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I use guests on Linux extensively. My IT has no idea which win OS I even run my outlook on…
I’d love a full VM Guest experience but android (or derivative) based. I’ve not found a way to do that.
I had another thought to just plonk a phone on my home network with a cheap cell provider. Then share that out VPN to all my subsequent devices (more phones, tablets, work computer) to access the screen. Then Alphabet could get stuffed. That phone would never know where I am physically. I don’t use payment services etc.
- I did a search today(kvm control of a phone) and this popped up. Something that can control the phone out of the USB port. I need to think on this further… https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/glinet/comet-q
I’m not here to downplay people’s issues or the implications as to what the future holds, but how many here will be affected by these changes? I’m leaning towards buying a Fairphone the next time my phone breaks down, but these changes won’t currently affect me as far as I know.
My partner went back to an pixel 7 so I’m going to take her pixel 8 and see about putting Linux or Graphene on it.
If it works well I’ll put it on my pixel 8 and if her 7 pushes for an update then that will go Linux/Graphene
Whenever a malicious app breaks or scammers get to you, its always through the google play store. Their shit isnt even safe to make this fucken claim about safety.
Right but its official, so its safe. That’s what matters. Not whether it has malware or not.
But most importantly, some rich asshole will make some money this quarter and that’s all that matters
This is a nice list I’d consider for new phones.
- Murena (France) with /e/OS (France) on:
- Fairphone (Netherlands)
- Hiroh (USA)
- SHIFTphone (Germany)
- Teracube (USA)
- Punkt MC03 (Switzerland)
- Volla (Germany) with Volla OS or Ubuntu Touch (Germany)
- Jolla (Finland) with Sailfish OS (Finland)
- Purism Librem (USA, manufactured in the USA)
i got a fairphone from murena with /e/OS preinstalled recently. i love it so far, but theres a weird glitch where it will randomly switch timezones and only goes back when i restart it and some apps are a little broken.
the issues are relatively minor and its nice to have a phone i know i can plan to keep for a really long time. also the camera is so much better than my old phone. some people said its mid compared to other new phones but if i wanted a camera that nice id buy a real camera.
Purism is a grift, should be removed.
Many people are still waiting on phones they ordered years ago.
I pre-ordered a pair of the mobile phones. I eventually got them. They aren’t very good, but I have them.
I’d say the most helpful thing they’ve done is lead the way on adapting Linux and its applications to display and be interactive on small touchscreens. Many people wanting to run Linux on a phone will have Purism to thank for making it viable. They made a lot of upstream contributions.
Oh! I’ve never heard of that one.
- Murena (France) with /e/OS (France) on:
So, do I finally need to learn about GrapheneOS? What are other people doing?
Graphene is only of help (today) if you buy some shit from Google namely a Pixel. If you have another phone, step numero uno is always to learn what custom ROMs are available for your make and model.
Used Pixels are cheap and the money doesn’t go to Google again.
It supports Google by making their reseller market strong. People will buy pixels knowing they will be of value on the reseller market thus strengthening the primary market.
That’s the problem with buying a used Pixel.
On theory, yeah. I got a 512gb pixel 9 fold with a dead inner screen, the rest works fine, for $200. It’s a good deal.
Probably depends on the market. Here where I live they are like Nintendo games: near-full price even when second-hand.
I bought my Pixel 6 Pro refurbished and carrier unlocked and installed GrapheneOS. Pretty happy so far.
Graphene is by far the best. I highly recommend it.
Right now you need a Pixel to run it but soon you can get a Motorola that works with it.
Soon? Was there an update with a timeline? Last I saw it was only ‘announced’ And there’s no ETA
I thought it was Early 2027 but I may have made that up!
This is why I’m happy about Motorola next year
With some luck I’ll have time to put together my diy palmtop-esque machine, but we’ll see if that works out.
I really hope the Motorola thing actually pans out. Based on the general state of things I’m done with both Apple and Google.
Same here. And its not like we are overwhelmed with alternatives, too.
Things have taken quite the turn from the nexus era to now, dropping nexus for pixel felt so blatant too.
What about Motorola? 😯
They are going to start loading GrapheneOS on phones from the start
Fantastic! Thanks for explaining 🙏
Yeah same, I have no idea what’s happening with Motorola…
They are partnering with GrapheneOS
I don’t trust Motorola to make a phone that doesn’t have numerous hardware backdoors. Motorola does a ton of work for both the US and Israel. If it sounds too good to be true than it probably is. I think the US/Israel gave Motorola a bit of cash to make backdoored hardware that’s made specifically for a privacy hardened software.
I got a reply clarifying that theyre partnering with graphene. I figured I’d reply so you didn’t miss it in the thread
What is the Motorola thinf being referred to here?
The GrapheneOS folks are working with Motorola to have Graphene pre-installed on one of their phones. It would be the first time it is officially usable on anything but a Pixel. It won’t solve the problem described in the OP though. It’s still Android.
Afaik GrapheneOS won’t be affected, neither will e/OS. The real problem with them still being based as AOSP is, that google might stop the AOSP project. That would mean the forks would need to do that continous based development themselves.
It affects Graphene because people using it still get their apps from Google Play, Aurora Store (also the Play Store), and F-Droid, etc.
I searched for statements from GOS and e/OS and what I found tells a different story
https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/26337-android-developer-verification-are-we-screwed-no-doesnt-apply-to-gos/25 https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/search?f=tweets&q=certified&since=&until=&near=
https://community.e.foundation/t/e-os-statement-about-google-developer-verification/79892
Do you have different information?
For anyone who hasn’t heard, Motorola is partnering with GrapheneOS to release compatible phones in 2027.
I hope they push this out and spark the ire of the EU, who tells them to unfuck it or starts funding an alternative like Ubuntu Phones or something. That would be an amazing outcome.
Unfortunately, things have to get worse before they get better. It’s how people learn.
Given who is winning european elections I wouldn’t hold my breath.
As I said, gotta get worse before it gets better. It’s unfortunately how people learn.
I hope they push this out and spark the ire of the EU
probably will take a bit longer because it will happen in certain countries like Indonesia and Brazil first (i.e. not EU countries)–basically the countries with rampant
apkscamming, unfortunately. I think this move is also partially forced by the government in those countries, but that’s just my conspiracy hat talking, note that I’m also against this move and much prefer a scam education (I’m in Indonesia).Apk scamming? What’s that? People trying to get proprietary apps and getting scammed?
Some people aren’t tech savvy, so let me start by saying that you should lower your expectations lol
The scam is basically scammer sending an .apk file saying that it’s important file like invitation, important letter, tax letter, bank statement, etc. and that the victim has to install the app to proceed
The app then basically become a keylogger that steals passwords and PINs, or other kind of malicious act
That is indeed simpler 🤣 Thanks for explaining.
It’ll be like Edge, where you can uninstall it in certain EU countries, but nowhere else. It won’t really change anything on the grand scheme
My brother has ordered the Jolla phone, and I will too if it works out for him and works on American networks
I think they’ll argue they’re better than ios
And what are we supposed to do about it?
I made a goddamn prediction back in 2012 when Google was introducing the Nexus line of handsets. I FUCKING KNEW this “open platform” bullshit had it’s days numbered.
These companies are fun when they’re young, but they will ALWAYS turn on the consumer.
Adam Smith was right. Without ethics and morals, the system WILL crumble.
We have extremely moral billionaires preaching their theology in silicon valley, so it should all be fixed pretty soon.
Ethics and morals are irrelevant when the entire economic paradigm is designed to reward whatever makes the most profit regardless of ethical considerations.
@dudesss@lemmy.ca made a nice list of phones.
Buy an unlocked phone and tether a laptop to it, only use the phone for calls and sms.
pissed-tier: take it off on your taxes out of spite
Wow, you knew in 2012 that finally in 2026 the days of Android phones are numbered, nice one.
I mean, 14 years isn’t exactly a short time for something to turn shitty.
Direct Link to Petition mentioned in Post
Remember Change.org is a for profit company, when they ask you to “chip in”, do not do that, if you wish to chip in donate to an advocacy org that fights stuff like this such as the Electronic Frontiers Foundation.
They won’t let me because my email address is for my personal website… How stupid is that‽
Annoying, but not surprising.
Update… Apparently fuckoff@gmail.com is much more valid than admin@mydomain.com
Is this update going to affect older Android versions in phones that stopped receiving OS updates years ago?
And, if so, how do I disable all OS updates entirely?
Depends on your version, search for “update” in the settings area.
The only reason I have an android is that the laundry app I’m forced to use runs through it. It’s literally only still surviving because capitalism contrived a way to tie it to my basic needs.
Laundry… app?
It’s exactly as stupid as it sounds. Landlord decided we need to pay through an app. My budget overrules my principles, and the local laundry mats are at least five times the price, so… Yeah.
Is it just an app to add money to an account or do you need to tap something? Could you run the app through bluestacks?
You add money to the app, then the app checks your location (for “reasons”) and connects to the machine via bluetooth then you press start. I’m not confident about running it through other things, but I don’t want to say it’d be impossible – certainly not worth the hassle though. Eventually, I’ll move and it won’t be a problem after that.
It would probably work with a laptop. But yeah eventually you’ll move. I just hate being vendor locked by things.
Buy a second hand pixel 8, 9, 10 pro, xl or not, based on your budget. I wouldn’t recommend older. Then after loading GrapheneOS create a couple user profiles. While in this screen remove the ability of the profile to run in background. Use one of these sandboxed users as a Google phone. Install Google Play Compatibility through the graphene installer. Now you have a Google option. Some banking apps won’t work, and the McDonalds app won’t work. Google is then sandboxed and not running constantly. If you need a Google app, you can switch over. And without background profile running enabled Google services will completely closed when switching back. No reset needed, just like 3 seconds loading. If you install Wattz (fdroid) you can see the power draw reduced in nongoogle mode. The root profile can share apps, create and delete profiles. I guess one downside is you need to learn multiple login passwords. Also no tap to pay ever.
That’s messed up. Wow. It’s how they get you.
Good luck getting out of there.
Better than quarters.
I’ve been on both sides of it. I far prefer the quarters/physical cash over the app nonsense.
How the heck does that work? Do you need the phone to unlock the washing machine?
Yeah, there are no quarters. The app connects via bluetooth, but you also have to have location and data on. To be fair, quarters were a persistent pain with the banks not wanting to trade money if I didn’t have an account, so ups and downs.
I live in an apartment with those kinds of laundry machines.
We have an option for people to buy a card and preload it with funds.
Do you have that option at least?
I’m not aware of any option like that. I also don’t see an place for a card to be inserted.
You don’t insert the card in the machines.
You tap the card like you would newer debit cards and Point of Sale (POS) machines.
I’d look into whether your apartment building could add that as an option, or if not, look into procuring the card that works with the laundry machine manufacturer and see if you can preload it somehow yourself.
If the manufacturer doesn’t make those cards, you might try cards from other manufacturers to see if those work.
You can use android apps with many custom ROMs like !graphene_os@lemmy.sdf.org and !lineage_os@lemmy.world
Andromeda (on FuriOS) works amazingly; most apps run on it, including all þree of my bank’s apps. I hear þe Ubuntu touch Android emulator works just as well.
I’d have upvoted the comment if it weren’t for the pretentious bullshit presentation of its content.
Until people fork and forget Google, they will always control Android.
september i get my jolla phone :))
Same here
What’s going to happen to phones that already have 3rd party apps installed?
It’d be a stunningly idiotic move if they let you keep the ones already installed, but not let you update them - allowing security holes fixed by future versions to persist so you’re wide open to exactly what they claim they’re trying to prevent. More likely they’ll use them as marketing for how “safe” Google is making you by repeatedly pointing out one at a time how they’re blocking app “x” now that a security hole has been found on it.
