Prosecuting Trump and his cronies would be a start
Can’t be done by the next us president.
This is gonna be decades.
I doubt we’ll ever recover from this.
Depends. I’m sure Cascadia and ColonialUSA will make and keep friends, but the central states far less so.
It all depends how they re-organize after the country is split in 4.
Yeah, goodwill is like love, trust and a very expensive porcelain Ming vase.
Once broken, you can’t go back.
Unless, things get so fucked that it results in multiple landslide elections for the opposing party. If they had a supermajority in every branch, they could practically rewrite it all from scratch.
That’s still not enough. Even if you rewrite the rules, you need to show that the opposing side also supports the same rules.
Hence the end of rules-based order.
That was my bad, I got it in my head that we were talking about fixing the fuck ups. You’re right, trust will take time, but I think everyone will be willing to at least give us a chance once the orange one is gone.
No they won’t. He was in once and then gone. But he came back and so much worse. He has demonstrated that not only is there enough appetite among the voting populace for his brand of hate and violence, but that our institutions are woefully incapable of protecting their own country let alone the fucking world. Prior to that I’m sure most of the world would have thought straight up kidnapping a “democratically” elected world leader and a full on unprovoked war (in all but name) would be impossible. But here we are. Anything short of an actual uprising or revolution won’t be sufficient on their own. I’d bet good money we don’t have a chance at seeing a return to the position and soft power we held for at least half a century.
The Orange one has demonstrated how useless the system is at dealing with him. It doesn’t matter what the next guy says, everyone has seen that the guy after that can just blatantly ignore the rules again, tear up and ignore agreements, and nothing will stop him.
That’s the real problem. The promises and signed agreements of America mean nothing now. I don’t know how you fix that without some serious structural changes and some way of proving those changes will be actually enforced.
There is no opposing party in the US
Yeah the next president would have to come from a new party is literally the first thing on my long list of what would need to be done
American Democrats can’t even save the USA, way less rebuild the goodwill with the rest of the world, IMO.
It’ll take decades to make up for completely but what can the next president do to regain some trust?
The US needs to look inward and figure out how to reconstruct itself, or it needs to balkanize and let the theocratic feudal states and the oligarchic surveillance states destroy themselves and their populations in their own ways.
The existing political system is shot top to bottom, complete regulatory capture, corrupted judiciary, masked secret police black bagging and executing people on the street, wasted idiots in charge of state, defense, and health…
USA needs to stop worrying about how to impress the girl at the club and think about how to stop hurting themselves and others before they even think about relationships again.
Just in the last year the US has systematically threatened and insulted every country in the world, and most world leaders individually (except NK, RU, IR, of course). And the US is still making things worse for the entire planet, proudly and defiantly. And the next president will continue this way of behaving because ALL US PRESIDENTS do now.
Asking this question is like a bully asking the kid to forgive him while continuing to punch him.
It’s kind of insulting to the other people.
What? I’m literally asking what the next leader should do to start improving the situation, not asking anyone’s forgiveness. If you can’t name one actual concrete thing, just admit it.
I wrote a paragraph about regulatory capture, the corrupt judiciary, bellicose and self-destructive foreign policy…
That’s a list of problems. I guess I just have to keep bringing you back to “what should the next president do?” You know, about them.
But if I ask you that are you going to compare me to a bully harming someone? That’s my WTF here.
Your belief that one man, “the president” (or any one person) can do something that big is in itself part of the problem. Your democracy is flawed so you need to fix that first instead of thinking you need some superman that will just “do something”.
It’s like bulldozing a house and then ask what the bulldozer can do to “fix things”.
I’m actually with you - I don’t believe any one president can just wave a magic wand and do away with regulatory capture forever. I’m not sure what I said specifically that made you think I put that all on the president.
However it would be equally fallacious to say he can do nothing. It is still a very relevant question, which no one seems to want to answer: what CAN the next president DO to restore trust? Not necessarily restore it ALL but begin to heal the situation? No colorful metaphors. Actual actions that are within the power of the office. This is a real question.
Well, for anyone curious about history, the answer is “very little” because it does no longer depend on the president, but on the whole country. Or so I see it.
And it becomes fairyland quickly because so many things that would have to happen are not going to happen without the whole country stepping up and behind a new power.
That’s why the American president in this manner is quite worthless. But to answer your question, the thing s/he could do would be just that, unify the country behind a morally good idea. Anything else just won’t change what we think about the usa for the better.
So, unify the country behind a new democratic system. Then give it a decade or two!
The fact you guys are still treating Trump as a “one off” is wild.
To the rest of the world that’s the image of Americans, for decades now.
That is something Americans don’t really understand. Trump has pushed the envelope but he isn’t as much of an outlier as many Americans would like to believe. His incompetence and arrogance make it easy to see how awful he is but his agenda is the regular American agenda with some more guardrails removed. They don’t seem to notice that their Senate, Congress and Supreme Court have mainly supported him with exceedingly little pushback.
The biggest difference between Trump and his predecessors is that Trump is not pretending.
Regan, Bush, Clinton, the other Bush, Obama, Biden, they all bomb whoever they want, kill whoever they want, support Israel’s genocidal policy, interfere in another country elections, … all those bad things that Trump are not hiding.
For the rest of the world it’s business as usual but this time not behind closed doors.
To trust Americans was and it is impossible.
I think the difference was that before other countries would see themselves as allies and thus as part of the West. NATO is just one of many alliances that went beyond just pretending.
Now Trump threatened all of this. Take over Canada? Get back the Panama Canal? “Rescue” Greenland? Get out of NATO? Suddenly it becomes clear that it was a mistake to trust the US so much and that the same rules should count for them as anyone else.
i’m no expert in global politics so take this with a grain of salt but i would not say trusting US was a “mistake”. there are tons(*) of trustworthy Americans out there. and every alliance always comes with some amount of risk but it’s just how we humans work.
(* - yes I mean tons, plural, I’m pretty sure it’s at least few tons :D)
Yeah the real issue is that the country voted that in. You need to fix that first otherwise it’s probably gonna keep happening.
Yeah, he’s just the worst version of asshole that started with Nixon.
A complete overhaul of the electoral process that allowed fascists to gain complete control.
A complete overhaul of the society that became so sick that they willingly put the fascists there. Twice.
A complete overhaul of the elittest pedophile bi/trillionaire class that has unfettered control over every branch of state and federal government and meddles in foreign affairs across the globe.
In short: The USA would need to be torn down and rebuilt.
you left out a complete overhaul of the “justice” system that allowed a convicted fucking felon to not only avoid any consequence whatsoever, but attain to the most powerful position in the world. it’s absolutely mind-boggling
The silver(ish) lining is that he is actively reducing how much power that position actually has in the world. Our soft power has been demolished.
Gaining trust starts with accountability. People who have abused their position of power need appropriate punishment and be made to pay for the damage they have done.
We have taken a “let’s just move on” strategy too often in the past. The American people aren’t going to buy it this time.
As far as trust for America the country is concerned, holding guilty parties accountable will help that too, but mostly what it will take is time.
So… no, trust will never be gained back. /S
I’m not expecting that it will. American politicians don’t have a great record in that area.
US citizen living abroad. Not going to happen in one presidential term and the US has probably permanently fucked itself in terms of special currency/status/soft power ever getting back to the level it was.
No, the age of America is over.
The Trump preaidencies aren’t a radical break from the past, he’s just an unveiling of it’s darkest, ugliest, impulses and the logical conclusion of its ideals.
Maybe European mainstream leaders can convince themselves to get back into bed with US imperialism, as we benefit from it so much, but US in the eyes of the people never recovered post Iraq II, and across the whole world the US is now primarily seen as the demagogic bully that it is.
The US must learn to get along with its neighbours and treat other nations and people with respect.
Even if a completely sane, smart, and wonderful president were elected, and every country loved them, why would they trust us? We are always one crazy election away from… well, this.
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New Nuremberg trials for all in, and allies propping up, the former regime
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Transparent audit of everything trump broke and real-time checklist of process to restore critical needs, prioritizing human lives.
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A lasting and appropriate punishment for trump himself
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Recovering the funds to do all of the above from trump and complicit billionaires in the private sector - starting with musk for his own crimes against humanity.
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A job corp to employ all of the AI layoffs, similar to the New Deal’s Civilian Conservation Corps. Needs a healthy vetting to avoid left over trump chuds
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Expand the Supreme Court
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End Citizens United
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All trump appointees, in all positions, are removed from offices immediately. If not convicted in new Nuremberg trials, they can still reapply for positions and be consists as any other
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The demolished east wing will be rebuilt as a simple building and used as a museum to the attrocities that trump committed and the people and institutions that enabled him. An artist will be commissioned to design a pitch black facade, perhaps in the shape of the old building. It should look out of place and awkward, and stand forever as a sort of black eye on America. To show how the nation was injured and not cover it up. There will be legislation to perpetually fund the museum and make admission free to all.
The future will require a simple understanding - there was not an equivalency here, no two valid sides. The was objective wrong and right. No more pretending
Trump-appointed Supreme Court judges can be removed by a single person. They need to be at the right place at the right time and have a good kit and aim. While this could physically undo the appointments, it would decrease the trust in the country’s safety, as all assasinations do.
Considering we have concentration camps and death squad paramilitary police forces that have on record conducted what are effectively summary executions… decreasing trust in the country’s safety would simply be a course correction of public perception.
They’re not assasinating elites, are they? That’s why Luigi was a bigger deal than all killings by ICE combined.
There are legislative bodies that exist precisely for changing such laws. Make an exceptional law that is valid for only this one time use and then hire new judges, some of which are allowed to be among the ones fired.
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Do you mean within the US or trust internationally?
The rest of the world has begrudgingly let the US dominate world commerce, culture, and morality. Now they’re realizing how much of their own identity they’ve given away, and are struggling to recover from it. Critically, even if the US ever gets their shit together again, nobody else wants to go back to the same relationship they had. We’ve been forced out of an abusive relationship, and now we’re free.
And here I am, stuck living in the one country in the world that’s only getting closer to the US: Israel. I pray that by the end of the next decade or three, when the dust settles, we’ll be closer to Europe instead, as we’ve been in the past. But that seems practically impossible.
Sigh maybe I’ll move to Europe. I’d probably fit in better culturally.
Ouch. Good luck man!
Simple: refrain from doing any stupid shit for half a century. Any stupid shit will kick the timer backwards 70% of the elapsed time.
(There really is no other way)
This. Trust is a function of time and commitment. Especially time. Easy to lose hard to gain
That’s the
U+2105 ℅ CARE OFsymbol, not %. No idea why it’s so prominent on Android System Keyboard because it’s so niche.Oh, thanks for the heads-up! I edited the comment now. And know to be careful with this in the future!
Interesting. My stock pixel keyboard has ℅ as an alternate long press to %. In SwiftKey, the alternate is ‰ while c/o seems to be nowhere to be found. I didn’t know I had either available as long press q from the main keyboard group is just % and nothing else (some keys have multiple alternates, like long press x shows $ but also has ¢£₹¥€, for example)
Germany was forgiven much faster than 50 years.
Yeah, that’s true. Although, not by much. I remember that in 1990’s there was still plenty of distrust towards them, as they were seen as nazis. Nobody wanted Germany to become strong. The 1990’s began 45 years after WWII had ended, and while the trust had been almost recovered, it was still not intact. I’m not sure if it’s even now: Germany is the biggest reason we didn’t support Ukraine militarily as much as needed back in spring 2022. They wanted cheap gas and were ready to accept horrors in the name of political realism. It’s hard at least for me to not see a connection between that cynicism and what the same cynicism led to in 1920’s and 1930’s.
I lived in Germany from '83 to ‘94, and while there were certainly individuals who didn’t trust them (my grandfather’s cousin in Denmark certainly didn’t), they had long since earned the trust of other countries’ governments by that point.
Well, shall we split up the USA for 50 years for starters?
If there were an actual way to give all rural areas to Russia, sure, let them see how wonderful the totalitarian government they so desperately want would be to live under.
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To fix it quickly you are going to have to abuse your power immediately like Republicans have. But you are also going to need at minimum a majority in the house and Senate, preferably a supermajority which I doubt that happens.
Prosecute traitors immediately.
Immediately expand the supreme court
Help install safeguards so this never happens again. Like for presidential nominess for secretary of defense or education. Only select people who work in that field and with knowledge of the job can nominate people for consideration and the president can only hire those nominated
the problem is the abuse of power. you won’t gain back trust by abusing power. this thinking is the reason it won’t happen
Actually I don’t care I want revenge
then you are part of the problem, congratulations
Yep wanting to hold these fucks accountable and using extreme measures to make sure this never happens again is a problem. Lmao you sound like a conservative simp
Ceaușescu’s end is instructive here. Trump won’t concede defeat like Orbàn.
It’s like it is not even trump the problem in the long run, but 50%+ of senators etc who just let an insane person burn down the whole country lol. Greek drama for sure.
Start by rolling back every shit executive order Trump made.
Make it safe for us Canadian to go on vacation in the USA again.
Prosecute Trump’s entire cabinet.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I’ve been thinking a lot about what we would have to do to redeem America in the eyes of its citizens, the world, and history. In order to do that, MAGA must be fully crushed, and purged from our government and society. Nothing less is acceptable.
First of all, MAGA must be dealt with as the ongoing National Security Threat that it genuinely is. They are responsible for a violent Insurrection, and the theft of hundreds of classified documents, as well as breath-taking corruption, that they don’t even bother to hide. They are a treasonous organization that must be treated like the Nazis or the KKK, and essentially prohibited from existing. Their leaders should be arrested and imprisoned for their crimes.
In addition, the election fraud from the 2024 election must be exposed, and the Trump administration declared invalid. That will roll back ALL EOs, legislation, appointments, SCOTUS decisions, etc. It will be like the second Trump administration didn’t exist.
And that includes his Pardons, which are all criminal cover ups. ALL Trump pardons are invalid, and those criminals have to return to serve out their sentences. Anyone who doesn’t voluntarily surrender, will be charged with escape, and get another decade attached to their sentence with no time off for good behavior or parole. Every pardon will be investigated, and anyone found to have paid a bribe of any kind, will get additional charges, as well as anyone who facilitated the payments, such as family members, accountants, lawyers, politicians, etc.
Anyone involved in the January 6 insurrection will be declared prohibited from holding public office, per the 14th Amendment, Section 3. Anyone who amplified the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen, the primary motivation of the Insurrection, is complicit, and is prohibited from public office. If you EVER said that Trump won the 2020 election, and/or the Democrats stole it, then you were an active participant in the Insurrection, and you can’t hold office. If you are in a debate, and you are asked who won the 2020 election, and you say Trump, you are instantly disqualified. If you were instrumental in planning or organizing the Insurrection, then it’s life in prison.
That includes every single person who spoke at the rally just before the Insurrection. Remember that video of them all in the backstage tent before the rally? Every single one of those people should serve life prison sentences. They were laughing and partying, as they honestly thought they were launching a violent attack that would result in the deaths of numerous politicians, including the VP, and the end of our democratic government, so they could install Trump as dictator for life. The very top leaders should be publicly executed.
With all those MAGAs instantly out of office due to 14A, and MAGAs not allowed to ever hold office, it will take a while for whatever new conservative party organizes (the Republicans were just the larval stage of MAGA, so they’re dead, too), and starts to run candidates that qualify under 14A/S3, and anti-MAGA laws. That gives the Dems the opportunity to pass all sorts of legislation to get America on a decent moral path into the future. Part of it will be laws that codify certain rights that conservatives have tried to suppress, like reproductive rights, immigrant rights, workers rights, etc.
And we have to pass strong anti-corruption laws, and that starts by changing the way we treat wealth in this country. Sociopathic Oligarchs have untreated OCD Hoarding syndrome, which manifests as financial hoarding, and it is become bad enough that it is having serious detrimemtal impacts on the majority of the citizens of the WORLD. We can’t do anything about it in other countries, but we can certainly change things on America.
If someone was hoarding cats, or rusty old appliances, etc, to the point that it was affecting the lifestyles and property values of their neighbors, the authorities would step in and end it. We need to do that with financial hoarders. We need to confiscate their hoards, and redistribute it. Just like all those cats need to find nice families, we can find better uses for that Sociopathic Oligarch money.
The wealthy think we serve them, and we have to make them understand that they keep their wealth at the pleasure of the people, and the minute that wealth is not serving the people, it will be entirely confiscated, and the Sociopathic Oligarch will be imprisoned. Further, their family will be prevented from accessing public assistance, scholarships, etc. They will be officially destitute.
Sociopathic Oligarchs who have already egregiously violated the public trust (Trump, of course, Musk, Theil, Ellison, Bezos, Zuckerfuck, etc.) will have their entire hoards fully confiscated immediately, and their fortunes used to rebuild America, and provide the seed funding for social programs like free healthcare, daycare, college/trade school, UBI, etc.
Wealth will be HEAVILY taxed, not work. Workers under a certain income will pay no income tax, that will be covered by the wealthy and corporations. Anyone found to hiding wealth in offshore/ foreign banks, will have their entire hoard confiscated, and they will be imprisoned.
We will no longer fund ANYTHING for capitalists. They can pay for what they want. No more stadiums, no more tax breaks, nothing but heavy taxes on your profits, AND your personal revenue. We pay for services for the people FIRST, and whatever is leftover can be allocated to the military and such, but not one penny will ever go to billionaires or they corporations.
It is also imperative that we pass strong Campaign Finance Reform, which is the single issue from which ALL other issues flow. We must prohibit money in campaigns, and tightly regulate them regarding length, and campaign language. The kind of lies and rhetoric we heard from Trump will result in immediate disqualification from the campaign.
And to prevent this all from happening again 50 years in the future, the educational curriculum will be created and administered by the Federal government. 2+2=4, CAT spells cat in every state, we don’t need 50 different curriculums. That just allows Red states to teach treasonous, racist propaganda. The new curriculum will have a strong emphasis on Critical Thinking Skills, including how to recognize and reject propaganda. It will also teach proper history, including Slavery and the Native American Genocide, with an emphasis on acknowledging those atrocities so that they can’t happen again.
All of this can be done without running afoul of our laws or the Constitution, it just takes the political courage and will to do it. The American people want it, we just have to force our political representatives to do what they are told, and to do that, we have to make them fear us. If you have Dem in the House or Senate who is a cowardly weenie, vote them out in the primary, in favor of an angry reformer. Let’s send a bunch of pissed off Democrats to DC to kick ass in BOTH parties.
This is the most thought out take I’ve seen and it makes me angry it won’t happen
Thanks for the compliment, but respectfully, YOU are the problem. They are politicians and are inherently lazy and greedy. If you give them permission to do nothing, that is exactly what they’ll do, and they’ll go back to their insider trading and grifting.
We are in unprecedented times, and require unprecedented solutions. We absolutely cannot accept the same strategy of “We’ve tried nothing, and we’re all out of ideas.”
There is no reason we have to keep doing the same failed strategies of the past. Instead of telling them that we’ll accept nothing, send the message that if we take the country back from MAGA with our votes AGAIN, they better not squander it a second time, or they will suffer the same punishments as MAGA, which will be a LOT worse if we have to go through it a third round.
This is their last shot, and they better do what they are elected to do, or else.
I know it’s more the general “you”, but still damn. I’m doing the best I can from a deep red state and area (Missouri district 2). I do tons of various volunteer work alongside working with a local socialist group assisting in education and organizing protests. Dems are trying to get something here, but they have an incredibly hard battle if they want to beat Ann Wagner, let alone the duo of Josh “Jogs” Hawley and Eric Schmitt. Last time we had a Dem representing us was for 2 years back in the early 90s and the current one has held her job for 13 years.
Yeah, I mean YOU to mean all the people who hear what we need to do, and just immediately surrender with a resigned sigh that it will never happen. And it won’t, unless we MAKE it happen.
I get your situation, I live in Central Florida, the last Democratic stronghold in the state, which is under direct attack by MAGAs. Over the next few years, they are planning to build an entirely NEW city from scratch, between Orlando and the East Coast, that will be as large as Orlando, which will greatly reduce the Democratic
How do you start a conservative city from scratch? You allow the Mormon Church to buy thousand of acres of land, including protected conservation land, and then let them build a city dedicated to their church, so they can have a West Coast capital, and an East Coast Capital.
Central Florida is about to be invaded by some of the most gullible religious weirdos on the planet.
It’s surprising how many states are actually fairly evenly split, but the Right has convinced people that their vote is powerless, so they don’t bother. If all those Democrats came out to vote, a few Red states would have some surprise flips. This would be a great election to do that, since the MAGAs are so depressed, many will be voting Dem, and many won’t vote at all. The Dems could really crush them, and I’d love to see the MAGAs cry when they get bloodbathed even worse than they expected…
Only speaking for myself, the following are necessary, but not sufficient:
- Hand him over to the International Court of Justice, along with his entire regime. *…including Schumer and Fetterman.
- Initiate prosecution of the actual criminals without fear or favor: ICE, cops, Musk, DOGE, wage-thieving employers, et cetera.
- Lock up the billionaires. Don’t be a lawless dictator, though, there is 110% some good, legal reason that can be found. (But shoot 'em if they resist.)
- Bomb the IDF out of existence and round up illegal foreign agents (AIPAC, et al.)
I have suggestions if they want to get serious on Day 2, as well.
