I remember the times when you could rent a videotape or cassette tape and then copy it to yours or even record it straight from tv or radio and everyone was earning decent money. How it happened that we turned culture into bureaucracy ?
Of course they do. They don’t want to pay for it. They just want it done at no extra cost to them. Just like copyright strikes against internet users.
I worked for a ISP and we started demanding money to roll a truck to hand those shitty things to our customers. We would tell the customer that they have no idea who they are and if they don’t respond they never will. We stopped getting so many strikes. The absolute shittiest ones I spoke with were the ones with the Grateful Dead’s lead singers family trust.
None of them ever paid for us to roll a truck. None of them ever served a subpoena.
Italy did that. No lessons were learned. No fix is in sight. It gets worse every day.
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick.
This entire system immediately fails as soon as someone uses a VPN.
All pirates will use VPN, so this horrorshow of a system literally just only punishes innocent people
Great going, assholes.
Right, like a router can unencrypt and read what’s on the link. This is just IP blocks which will never work lol.
“Hey there customer, if you want internet access on our network (the only one available in your area), you have to install our intermediary certificate on your machine!”
From having worked in an enterprise environment, there’s a chunk of websites that break when you intercept their SSL connection.
Oh yea definitely, I know this pain very well
Hopefully all of them, since that’s how network security works
Not really, because the client system is configured to go through the proxy. That proxy will connect to the website and do filtering on the unencrypted content because it is initiating the connection. Next it’ll re-encrypt everything with its own certificate and serve it to the client.
Oh you’re talking about enterprise scale mitm attacks on your own coworkers not the general case.
Also $3/mon certificate fee. To bring you the best possible service.
Hello, VPN
“Oh sorry, looks like we couldn’t decrypt that traffic, those packets went to the burn pile”
How do they know what qualifies as “encrypted” vs a binary blob that could be a photo or something?
File headers, magic bits, all sorts of stuff. Plus you can (and they do) try to load common file types, so if a PNG isn’t loading correctly, it fails the test.
I would like to once again thank the motion picture and recording industry associations for their contributions to both the sophistication of media piracy and the quality of content.
Without their efforts, we would probably all still be playing Russian Roulette on Limewire for a low quality copy of Zoolander. The first person to record a movie on Betamax would probably shit themselves if they could have seen what could be accomplished with some arrogance, incompetence, and blind greed. There’s no doubt that you guys are the real MVP when it comes to promoting media piracy.
The anti-piracy industry couldn’t be more Mickey Mouse if it were run by the Marx Brothers.
Piracy is a service problem.
Provide a good enough service and people won’t want to pirate. Anyone that still does in that scenario probably was never going to be a sale anyway.
Provide a bad service and people who would have happily paid get pushed towards piracy. The more people pirating, the better the tools get as you say.
People just want all their shit in one place for a reasonable fee.
It’s not rocket science, they already were there back when Netflix was new, they just let it get shit.
The studios should release their own tracker with a premium file and send everyone a quarterly bill who uses it. I would pay it if it were reasonable… it’s only extra money for them.
AKA greed. Why license your content to Netflix when you can have your own streaming service and lock your viewers into your piddly little hoard of content?
Just how many streaming providers are there today? That number likely changes almost daily at this point…
People just want all their shit in one place for a reasonable fee.
One problem with this is that monopolies are bad.
I’m not sure what the ideal solution is. It’s not “12 different services each charging $12/month” though.
I don’t think regular capitalism can really solve this.
Compete on the service. All streamers have access to stream essentially whatever and they compete on price, quality and value added service.
Music streaming is almost there imo, if they paid the artists more, you want the highest quality? Go to tidal. You want infinite playlists? Deezer flow is where to go. You want podcasts? Spotify… I kid, Spotify’s ease of conectivity is an industry envy. But they all have, essentially, the same music, if you allow essentially to do some work.
I’m an outlier in that I buy music on Bandcamp. Renting music feels like a bad deal to me, but for some people it might work out.
I think I repeat listen to albums a lot more than I repeat watch stuff.
Still, I’d consider a service that was like “pay $10 for this movie and it’s yours, drm free, forever”. A quick search shows WandaVision on DVD is like $50, and you’d have to like rip and self host yourself to stream it.
I think the subscription model is often user hostile, but it’s very lucrative
Deezer flow has completely replaced commercial radio for me, except the DJ is at my behest. I listen to the radio at work and while driving, then albums at home.
Exactly, most of my irl friends pirate shows/tv but they all have spotify. Im considered “extra” by them for pirating music
It’s not “12 different services each charging $12/month” though.
Add to that content that is geolocked behind a pay wall that isn’t even made avaliable to access in my country.
“So you won’t make it possible for me to pay you for your content… Ok, I’ll just figure it out myself”.
Because those never would falsely identify anything? Because youtube does it so well? Because data isn’t encrypted?
On what planet does this make sense?
I’m sorry I can’t hear you over at the sounds of capitalism not caring about people being hit in the crossfire.
Green line must go up
“Yeah! Get that green line up! Brian Thompson sacriced himself for capitolisms sins…or something…”
~CEO’s probably.
Unfortunately nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
They don’t care at all unfortunately
Also just ignore that core routers are super specialized to moving packets as fast as possible. Having to inspect every packet would ruin them, and literally nuke service speeds across the country.
On the “I dunno how you’ll do it, but you better find a way, bitch” planet.
Frankly something just went wrong in the first place from the very beginning.
They shouldn’t have any input on how infrastructure works. Especially “automated blocking”. You want to sue someone, do that. Messing with infrastructure without a court is just nuts, and if someone’s doing it, I hope there is another guy with Italian ancestry living nearby.
Doesn’t have to be Itailian. I’m not picky about supporting modern day Robinhood’s, regardless of background.
A capitalist one
“Planet fuck you, get greedy”. That’s the name of the planet. It’s where CEOs come from.
“Copyright industry” is such a weird term. Why not use the term everyone already knows, media companies.
Intellect gatekeepers. Killers of progress.
They somehow believe that ideas and concepts can be owned by one person only, barring everyone else who is doing something similar.
Freedom of thought and freedom of expression requires freedom from intellectual property.
It’s not the same. There’s all those lawyers specialized in copyright. Companies that track down “piracy”. Then there’s rights owners like the Disney corporation or JK Rowling. Rights management firms. Online platforms like Getty or Adobe.
Pretty sure everyone just calls them “assholes”.
Funny thing about the internet is we can just find a different route. Fucking idiots.
Core routers are the core.
That’s not exactly how it works. There is no specific core, all web traffic doesn’t go through one centralized location; it gets routed through the most direct route on each if these routers’ routing tables
Also, I’m pretty sure they can’t do shit about encapsulated data, such as VPN traffic.
You can’t even truly read what’s inside of an SSL packet. They probably want to fuck with the routes around torrent trackers.
There are always ways around, tor, retro share, i2p. I kind of wish we’d find a harder to track version of torrent.
Torrents are already very hard to block. You don’t actually need a tracker, because all modern torrent clients support DHT (distributed hash table). You only need some way to get the initial hash for a torrent, so that’s where trackers are still useful, but once you’re connected to the swarm, you can only be blocked if the entire swarm is blocked.
Tracking though… It’s too easy to get IP addresses for the entire swarm and I don’t see how you could ever fix that. Tor doesn’t really solve that issue either, it just moves it to places where you won’t get in legal trouble or to people who don’t mind getting in legal trouble, a bit like VPN providers.
I wonder what the legality would be of seeding the binary difference between the wikipedia.zim and a copy of the wild robot. But I digress… We could probably bolt on something I2P like to torrent, have everything pass through multiple nodes. I fear the best we could ever work out would be plausible deniability.
sure, large encrypted data streams, in 5GB increments are impossible to detect
impossible to detect? No, extremly hard to identify what it is? yes.
Who cares if they can see it’s 5 GB stream, they have no way of knowing whether or not it’s a pirated movie versus a backup from a home server or a data stream.
In fact some vpns are actually starting to implement data buffering where it makes every request is the same size regardless of what it is to protect against AI Assisted traffic analysis
Plus, people are fighting detection too. Where “normal” VPN protocols are recognized and blocked, like China, people are trying to make them indistinguishable from normal HTTPS traffic.
Yeah, if they wanted to setup deep packet inspection on that level. I’d imagine it would require billions of dollars in compute resources. And it would still suck.
some vpns
Well “some vpn’s” deserve all our business.
if you were looking for a recommendation, I use mullvad, their version is called DAITA, it randomizes the packets to help defend against it
There are a lot of industries where huge amount of data is moved all the time (health data, VMs, anything actually). Even small startups can do that and it’s cheaper than ever.
Heck a tiny regional bank I worked at with less than 2 dozen locations was constantly flinging data between its Primary and DR datacenters, and they were too small for any dedicated fiber so that was just over standard ISPs (with some locations technically on residential plans because the ISPs didn’t offer any better options than that in the small towns the bank supported)
My point is, if you’re blocked traversing the routers across the sea you’re not reaching those other continents. That’s a bit of a simplistic way of looking at it, given satellite internet and stuff but my point is it is not that incredibly hard to block the routes. Especially with BGP. BGP on the internet also has some bodies regulating route ASN reputation, so those could be potentially null routed.
Anyways, I clearly have no clue what I’m talking about so I’ll stop there.
Well, Cloudflare.
You can poison the routes within the BGP core to send traffic into a black hole. Basically, just tell everyone you have the best path, and they will send traffic to you.
There have been instances of this at the international level with adversary nations “accidentally” routing all traffic through them first. It can be done to a degree that it makes life difficult. They won’t be able to prevent you from finding a VPN that pops you out near a router that refuses the poisoned routes however- not without a global agreement at least.
Tell that to the Chinese and North Koreans
I can’t. I don’t speak chinese, or korean.
Why not make routers do the same thing with criticizing the rich on twitter or facebook ?
Trump will be their biggest supporter, locking down the free and open net is the Fascists goal. What we have now, and have had, in the Western World in terms of open net, is going to be destroyed down to it’s basic functionality, when Donald Trump and his minion of incompetents turn their attentions to it. I’m not sure the majority really understand what’s about to happen.
Eh…I’m not sure trump is actually smart enough to understand HOW to do that.
This is the same guy who heard the term “clean coal”, and began describing scrubbing the cosl with scrub brushes and soapy water. The same guy who heard not to look into an eclipse, and IMMEDIATELY looked into the eclipse. The same guy who created covfefe, defended it as not being a typo, and 10 years later, we’re all still baffled by what that even COULD mean.
And you think he’s about to instill the biggest lockdown in the world of internet traffic? Uhhhhh, no.
It was coverage, nobody was baffled by that part.
Trump doesn’t have to. He’s got someone in FCC who’ll do it for him like Ajit Pai before. Net Neutrality is going to die again anyways, as we all expect. What will come from that after, will be more dominos falling.
While true, he has people with a tech clue in the background, even couch boy has a fair understanding of the basics, and Thiel & Musk have plenty of smart guys on the payroll
That’s relying on them having the political will to do more than half-ass it. Let’s be real, everyone loyal to trump is loyal for one (or more) of three reasons:
- They directly profit from the loyalty
- They believe it will help them realize their career ambitions
- They believe they can use him to ultimately achieve their own private ideological ambitions
These are the same reasons people joined the first Trump administration and literally none of them are attempting to join his second administration meaning they were not able to realize any of their goals through Trump (or they were shown exactly how far they could go before they found the line they could not cross)
Simply put, it’s not an environment conducive to actually realizing policy goals in any incredibly complex interconnected web. The last trump administration tried to block China from international logistics and instead made logistics more robust (and helped the Mexican economy by accidentally encouraging significant investment in manufacturing and logistics there) and got completely deadlocked by infighting when they attempted to realize their wet dream of “repealing and replacing” Obamacare/The Affordable Care Act. I’ll be extremely impressed if a trump Administration manages to actually achieve a meaningful disruption of the Internet, especially with how the rest of the world largely refuses to support his policy goals
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