It has to affect them personally before they draw their own opinion
Every other opinion they have is received through their cult’s regular programming
Gas prices are the actual red line for a significant segment of Americans. The world can be on fucking fire, but it’s ok as long as gas is cheap.
They don’t, they don’t draw the line there, i saw them going on tv about how higher prices are worth it, they’re cultists
That’s just humans.
My mom tells me to “stop worrying about the sky falling, worry about yourself first” in response to every time I criticize any regime in the world
Monarchy was abandoned. Now we have a lot of little kings and queens.
Oh fun fact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_emperor_syndrome
My older brother was gonna be a “little emperor” but then my mom gave birth to me in violation of the One Child Policy… so now we have a beef… kinda feels like those Chinese TV Dramas about Emperors and their sons fighting to become the heir…
My mom constantly tell about some cousin that made millions on a business trip abroad and be like: “why aren’t you like them”
Criticism against the system is dismissed, any issues you face is a character flaw, depression doesn’t exist, “just be better”
Like I doubt my parents care about ethics… hypothetically I could be in the mafia and make billions selling illegal drugs and she’d be “proud” as long as I don’t get caught. Or some extremely corrupt politician.
The takeaway I got from my parents is that: “Money = Good”
Depends on whether or not the Dow is over 50k
It’s rape. Call it what it is.
Rape is a form of sexual abuse.
What I hate is when people say Trump fucks children.
Consenting adults fuck. An adult raping a child is not fucking.
This is pretty much the MAGA base, yeah.
A lot of them voted for Trump simply because they thought the economy would be better under him. Not sure what happened during his first term that made them feel that way.
The dollar generally went further than the four years after he left office and that was his entire campaign selling point for the vast majority of Americans. “Remember when things were affordable right before the pandemic? And then Joe Biden took office and things were more expensive?”
But obviously the affordability of day to day life had very little to do with Biden’s policy and more to do with global trajectory and many of Biden’s policies did slow the approach to today’s economy. And Trump really just strapped a rocket engine to the economy in the direction of late stage capitalism once he was back in office.
Almost like he just sorta, lied to them… Like he always has…
Huh, what? No. No it did not.
His team had all the cherry picked numbers to “prove” it went further, bit if you believe that, tell you what - I got some prime lakefront property you might be interested in! It’s on the moon, though…
Your actual spending power will never increase under Republican leadership. Fucking never. Fuck sake, these are the assholes that sold “trickle down economics”.
No, he won because bigotry. Nothing else.
Don’t discount that we’re all much more influenced by the extremely powerful, corporately owned media propaganda macine than any of us would like to believe.
I think I was trying to make the same general argument. Words are so much fun, aren’t they?
But, yes - us Yanks don’t realize we are the most heavily propagandized people in the world. Take something like the Pledge of Allegiance at the start of school, for instance; in Amerikkka, normal. But everyone else finds it creepy and unsettling…
The dollar generally went further than the four years after he left office and that was his entire campaign selling point for the vast majority of Americans
Because the average American voter’s memory is so fucking short they don’t remember all the shit that made the dollar go farther was scheduled to end right after his term ended. They don’t remember how the first teem was full of ‘all gas no breaks’ economic relief to pump up the market, so there was little to no wiggle room once they ran out.
Plus, that whole pandemic thing. And we’re not getting into how he made that so much worse, that’s a whole other topic.
Well it was the covid recession that made everything cheaper, things were cheaper because a ton of people lost their jobs and went broke.
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Fox News lied a lot. Is what happened during his first term that made them feel that way. They were told shit was delicious and believed it.
So did cnn and nytimes, yes fox news in unabashedly shit but cnn and nytimes gave as much free adspace to trump
As someone unfortunately living in the states, I would like to apologize for our idiotic population
Factually incorrect, judging by the fact that not only has Donald lost basically every election in 2025 and 2026, but the majority of those elections he’s lost were in districts he won by double digits in 2024, both red and blue states.
Americans are so pissed off about the child rape that Republicans can’t even gerrymander anymore, because they can’t accurately predict where they have voter support.
And, everyone on this thread just pretending the meme is true, perhaps think through it a little before responding.
I have MAGA all around me in my life. They are angry about both. The real difference is who they blame.
Donald lost basically every election in 2025 and 2026
:-/
I gotta double check, but I’m pretty sure Donald wasn’t on the ballot in '25 and '26. I think you’re underselling the rest of the GOP field, which has actually under-performed Trump himself even in the good years and is now outright shitting itself in the bad ones.
But that’s not really the gist of the meme. Might be worth noting that Epstein was as deeply embedded with Dems as Repubs, having allied with liberal luminaries like Larry Summers, Kathy Ruemmler, and - of course - Bill Clinton. Meanwhile, roll the calendar back a couple years to the Biden Era DOJ and you find zero shits given about Epstein when Dems had control of both Congress and the Executive Branch.
Then you’ve got “Kids In Cages”, which was a very big deal right before the '16, '20, and '24 election cycles, but suddenly stopped mattering the day after. Actual concern for real human children does not seem to move the needle on public support/opposition to a politician. It’s just a rhetorical cudgel to swing.
If anything, the sadism inherent in immigration politics seems to get a certain sector of the voting base off.
And, everyone on this thread just pretending the meme is true
Slapping a sticker with a President’s face on it next to a gas station price tag has been common practice since the Bush Era. Very common for apparatchiks to hem and haw over the cost of a gallon.
But when it comes to child sexual abuse? crickets
The president is always a factor in elections for their party.
The president has historically been a factor. Trump’s broken with the trend, typically running several points ahead of the party as a whole.
After three electoral samples (more than most presidential candidates can ever claim), we’ve repeatedly seen people voting just for Trump and nobody else. Like, vote Trump, leave the rest of the ballot blank. Back in 2016, it was described as a “negative coat-tails” effect. Now, it’s more described as a pure cult of personality. Trump sucks in people who generally don’t like either party to vote exclusively for him.
He literally said himself that he cheated. The important point here is people rejecting the party because of him now. There are die hard maga not voting or even voting Dem out of spite.
He literally said himself that he cheated.
He said he cheated. He said the Democrats cheated. He says whatever sounds good to him at the moment. That’s got nothing to do with the election results.
The important point here is people rejecting the party because of him now.
Why is it always “If they won, they must have cheated, but if I won then clearly the people have embraced my party instead”?
Why do elections only provide meaningful information when they break your way?
Dude, the democratic candidates are winning or at least making huge gains in deeply republican strongholds. This is not swing districts moving half a point.
winning or at least making huge gains
What are the odds that the Democrats win the Senate, even in a landscape with +15 D turnout?
Dems still have to defend somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-4 seats and are in a position to gain… maybe +3-4? Six on a truly historic landslide. Which puts them right back where they were in 2020, with John Fetterman filling in for Joe Manchin / Joe Lieberman, and everyone has to peg their hopes on Platner or Slotkin not going completely sour.
This is not swing districts moving half a point.
Go back to 2018 and remind yourself of how Democrats played themselves against Trump in his first term. Two years later, how did Biden behave?
At some point, you have to see this for what it is. We have two business parties, each of which are jockeying to be the champions of a handful of deeply reactionary Silicon Valley trillionaires and their buddies at JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs. What do you think a Dem Majority is going to do about ICE in 2027? What do you think they’re going to do with the Epstein Files? What do you think they’re going to do about Iran?
Go back to 2021. Go back to 2012 and 2008. Go back to 1993 or 1977. There’s a pattern here, for those with eyes to see.
Republicans are the more religious of the bunch, and their “youth pastors” have a long track record of child abuse and these people make pedophiles their leaders religious and political, so there is that.
Also, meme isn’t invalidated by the fact it doesn’t apply to everyone. It does apply to some, and it’s a really dumb or shitty line they’re drawing.
this is true, you can see deep red con state harshly turning on donald, all the simple idiots now know he isn’t going to help them and that he is a dangerous loon and there running, don’t get it twisted tho, their are still plenty that follow him.
I suppose this is the logical outcome of rabid individualism. It wasn’t their kids that were abused, but it’s their bank account getting drained at the gas station.
I told you once that I was searching for the nature of evil. I think I’ve come close to defining it: a lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the [Nuremberg] defendants. A genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow man. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.
G. M. Gilbert
Not to give excuses for people but it’s also perfectly reasonable to express concern for something that directly affects one’s daily life,
rather thanbefore an abstract system of domination.Moral evaluation is overridden when one’s purchasing power and thus livelihood is threatened. The Yellow Vests in France started because of a gas price hike, and then transformed into a political movement. The Boston Tea Party into the American Revolution. Police Corruption in Tunisia into the Arab Spring… It always starts with concrete issues and then expands in critic of the system.
But at the same time those same people are in panic about stuff like trans people and public bathrooms. Which has never and will never affect them personally.
I’d bet 99% of those idiots have either never met or seen a trans person, or even more likely had no idea if they did. Its a complete distraction.
Yep. A vulnerable minority to conveniently demonise, straight out of the fascist playbook.
I 100 percent think this thought process is what got us here in the first place.
In france we don’t elect known rapist pedophiles though, your thought process is flawed IMO.
No indeed, instead of being elected they get appointed as members of the government by Emmanuel Macron
Nah you elect the victim. Jk, jk…
According to the documents the man sold children at auction to be raped.
Thats beyond abuse.
That’s a movie villain
Captain Planet villains aren’t that cartoonishly evil.
He was in movies, and he’s a villain, so that tracks.
Trump directing Kevin McAllister away from danger is the most unbelievable thing about Home Alone 2
“The safest place for you to be is on my friend’s Island.”
…from Taken.
That’s modern day slavery. Almost as if it never left, and we should have killed the traitorous Confederate bastards and left their bodies to hang as a reminder.
Yeah. Pretty much. CSA is gonna happen to someone somewhere sometime, that’s their problem, but 50 cents more for gas is happening to me right here right now!
Not my belief, but I’ve got a bunch of idiot neighbors and at least two mega chuches near me.
and at least two mega chuches near me.
That explains why they don’t care about CSA.
Because the right has a renowned lack of empathy for people who aren’t themselves. We see it time and again in the leopards eating their faces that they then get upset over something.
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half of americans
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they will never draw the line, Republicanism is a terminal disease
No … “own the libs no matter what” is a terminal disease.
The average Republican would staple their nutsack to a wall if it meant they could troll a liberal by doung it.
i mean i literally caught the town’s biggest right wing troll spray painting “let’s go brandon” on his own garage and fence, trying to make it look like vandalism. did the shittiest job of it too
Thats exactly what the person you are replying to said…
they will never draw the line, Republicanism is a terminal disease
that’s why they have so many children, otherwise they would die off …
It is not half of Americans. It is at least 66% of them. A third of all Americans voted for Trump. Another third sat out and consciously chose not to vote. Then a third voted against him.
The majority of Americans approve of the governance and current state of the US.
I do not see how you equate not voting with Trump support when you’re literally on the “Kamala wasn’t left enough for me” website. And I’m speaking as someone who does think those people are fucking stupid and that they’re about as or maybe even less likely to start a revolution than people who did vote.
I’m not who you replied to but I have a similar view.
For me, it’s not “you didn’t vote, so you support Trump”, it’s “you didn’t vote, which says you were fine with any of the available candidates, how they presented themselves, and their plans for this nation. You were fine with any of them being President.” Anybody who was fine with Trump being President gets criticism from me.
Hell, I give more credit to somebody who put a write-in vote for “my cat: Sir Fluffykins, esq. III” because at least that person would make their voice heard that no candidate was acceptable.
This is an open source forum similar to Reddit. It is not a dedicated site for American non-voters. It is very American to assume it is solely for them though. High off of your own farts, the lot of you.
If you thought I was being literal, I don’t know what to tell you.
** Half of Americans who are eligble voters and who decided to vote on Nov 5th, 2024.
The ones who didn’t vote for the only option other than Trump are equally bad people as Republicans, though I assume most of them just got hit with a propaganda brick, which brings us to the ineligible: among those who first became eligible in 2024 we saw the biggest shift rightward in decades among youth thanks to TikTok, Twitter, Google, etc intentionally radicalizing them.
Which is a representative sample.
Not voting was still a vote in and of itself. I hold them responsible too.
ah, a consequentialist. so you take responsibility for Trump’s election, as well, right?
Republicanism is a terminal disease
Damn right, domine salvum fac regem my monarchist brother. /s
Oh yeah, dehumanizing political enemies, it can’t go wrong
The hilarious part about this reply is it assumes I don’t consider sick people to be human.
They dehumanized themselves … We just calling it out.
Why shouldn’t conservatives claim that we, liberals, are dehumanizing ourselves by supporting trans rights for example? Why?
Because one of them wants to eliminate a class of people. The other just doesn’t want to be around the people who want to eliminate a class of people. They just want to be left to their devices.
They don’t think like that. You can’t fight radicalization with radicalization.
“They don’t think like that. You can’t keep claiming 2+2=4 and that the clear sky is blue; you have to meet their hateful delusions halfway!”
No. Your argument is deranged, dishonest nonsense.
You are meeting their hateful delusions by sinking to their level.
90% of them arent even thinking about the actions they’re taking with any real depth. Treating the quiet ones the same as the loud ones allows them to sink further and further into their delusions, because honestly they just dont know any better. Yelling in their face about how they’re nothing but inhuman monsters isnt going to change their minds. And considering their dominance, if you don’t change their minds these problems will continue.
The solution to division isnt more division.
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t protect trans rights or anything like that. I’m just saying that dehumanizing around 30% of the country is a bad idea and is completely counterproductive.
They do.
But it’s not a Republican vs Democrat thing. It’s empathy vs not. As a social species, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that those without empathy are fundamentally broken and need fixing. You can’t have a functioning society with no empathy. And we benefit from a functioning society.
But there is a fix. Empathy can be learned. It’s not magic, it’s practice. And those who refuse to learn shouldn’t be welcome in society.
Fuck it. I’m no longer responding to this thread. If you can’t understand that dehumanizing them and attacking their ideals is bad (politically bad) I don’t have anything else to say.
We need to reason with them, not fight. Everyone believes what they’re doing is good, if you attack that, you’re the bad one and they won’t listen to you anymore.
You can’t reason with someone who wants you dead. Simple as that.
I am not part of the discussion but you answered to a completely civil argument. People not agreeing with you is not a bad thing. If you think you are right, make counter points. Otherwise try to guess why their views differ and over think your own opinion. It is a good thing to get convinced by somebody else’s opinion, both win in that case.
Your logic results in deranged people killing and abusing non deranged people “who just want to reason”.
You cannot reason with zealots who want you dead. This is a suicidal mindset that you have. Why not just give up and let the bad guys win?
You just think I’m the other guy. I didn’t say dehumanize. I said they’re not suitable for society and need to be fixed.
They’re still human. They’re just douchebags. And we don’t have to tolerate those.
i just want to comment that what you say is sane from a political point of view. don’t listen to the knee-jerk reaction here, it’s “monkey sees enemy, monkey clicks button” type of stuff.
just to give some examples, the big historical movements like religion in the medieval ages were successful largely because they managed to unify all people in society somehow. by providing common grounds. and that’s the same ideals of humanity, of democracy, that people claim to defend on here.
we can’t protect democracy by taking away the humanity, by not considering the other one human anymore. because at that point, democracy is already dead.
You are kind of proving their point here. You are trying to reason with them, but in your mind they are not being reasonable, so you are disengaging because you don’t see how further engagement can be useful. Instead, you just call them the bad one.
This is exactly the process you are arguing against. People are not being reasonable, so you can’t expect reason to be convincing.
Because factual reality exists.
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If gas prices continue to increase I might eventually draw some type of line!
Maybe even a strongly worded letter
There will be slamming, maybe even blasting.
But never voting Democrat. That’s too far.
Wait for the inflation then
Proof of most Americans (or perhaps, people in general) being ignorant until something comes to affect them
100 percent. All my friends say stupid shit and I’m like what if that happened to you? “It would never bro”
I recently learned that an austism symptom is a strong sense of justice that is not swayed easily.
I always wondered why i cared so much more about doing the right thing instead if what people think is right or what law says.
actually i thought of this recently and came up with the concept of a “coherence length” which describes the distance up to which you still care about things … so if it’s 50 km then you care about things that happen within 50 km around you.
Sadly it is a very human thing. Most people are entirely content to ignore anything outside their monkeysphere.
