“We.” Always a red flag when someone admits to participating in lolcow shit; buncha chuds bullying autistic kids online.
Edit: hey, all you chuds who are getting mad about this comment, you’re not fooling anyone either, it’s just other chuds telling you that you’ve done enough. “Edgy” isn’t the same as bullying people to suicide because they’re weird, that isn’t normal teen behaviour, it comes from internalized values that you will still hold unless you actually address what you believe and why; just not bullying people online anymore isn’t the same thing as learning to be better.
The human brain doesn’t fully develop until the mid twenties, and empathy is one of the last things that fully develops. So the nihilistic online edge lord culture is one you can genuinely age out of.
… empathy is one of the last things that fully develops.
That’s not true at all. If you didn’t develop empathy in preschool and have fully developed sense of empathy by middle to high school, you had some serious developmental issues or were raised in a bad environment.
That doesn’t mean middle and high school kids can’t be mean. That cruelty can’t be excused by undeveloped empathy. In fact, they most certainly know how the person feels and are intentionally making them feel bad.
Those are not facts, but complete bullshit, and I think you know that. Unless you’re citing sociology of course where everything is facts if you feel like it is.
I honestly haven’t seen evidence of that, most of them certainly learn that the behaviour is looked down upon and may feel guilt over it, that isn’t the same thing as growing out of it. There’s a very large number of people whose morality is oriented around whether or not they’re caught, not honest, vulnerable interrogation of themselves and committing to change.
You’re talking to at least two former edgelords and the one typing now did a complete 180 at 18.
I was a weird kid in the 90s in a predominantly white/Catholic town where bigotry was the norm. I wasn’t into the god stuff which made me an outcast in my community and home life wasn’t very welcoming, either. I had unfiltered internet access and found a community who accepted me. And having no one to tell my otherwise, I thought their behavior was fine.
Ironically, that same lack of parental oversight saved my life because I decided to go to art school.
First time meeting a black person. Wow, they’re just like me. First time hanging out with gay people. Wow, they’re not trying to fuck me? Freshman year, I learned that everything I knew was wrong. And now I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m on an antifa watch list.
So what do you call it when someone learns their opinions are wrong and changes? What is developing emotional maturity through experience if not “growing out of it?”
What a depressing state of mind you must live in to think that people are only capable of changing for the worse.
Oh well, if an anonymous stranger online says that their own personal experience says so 🤷♀️
Again, a lot of you are troubled by the idea that morality isn’t as simple as just not doing the bad thing. I live in a much more optimistic world than the one you just portrayed.
Its obvious when you guys are making excuses for yourselves and passing it off as some act of empathy or understanding. That’s also just false, btw, and I never wanted to hurt vulnerable people even when I was young.
I think you underestimate how long the term has been around, and I’ve hidden nothing. I accept the shitty person I was. Have you confronted your deficiencies as a human being?
I know how long the term has been around bud, we haven’t even had this internet shit fifty years for fuck’s sake. If you accept the shitty person you “were,” why did you just produce a cruel estimation of some other person online just because you found their behaviour cringe again? This is the kind of “acceptance” people adopt when they feel guilt but don’t want to change. It’s also so telling to write off actual malice and cruelty in such a fundamental way as “well we all do had things.” No, I’ve never had the inclination to treat a vulnerable person badly, go figure.
And lol, lmao, yes. Which is how I can see straight through this kind of bullshit.
I want to congratulate you for having a normal upbringing, then. I’m not going to offer anything identifying, because I’m not an idiot, but I grew up surrounded by corpses and continued to develop elsewhere in a state of nihilism and rage bred by a family, myself included, in the throes of constantly triggered ptsd. You do not understand enough to judge an internet stranger by their arbitrary admissions. Your scope of understanding is limited by the offense you’ve taken and your frame of reference.
And It’s not just “cringe.” It’s an extreme social trespass and transgression to, and follow me on this, tell someone to break up with their partner because of an llm’s estimation of your desires. Whether satire or not, this person fits within the fringe groups. I’d otherwise call them an incel, but they seem particularly unhinged. Which pejorative do you prefer for a person who parasocially adheres to someone and decides upon their future? This is like defending pedophiles under the umbrella of lgbtq.
Bud, I am not the person to use some sob story to justify cruelty, I know it doesn’t. It may explain it, but you’re using that to rationalize it. The fact you once again just resorted to “you’re too sensitive,” as a fucking excuse for yourself it another good s indicator that no, you haven’t addressed the issue.
This also isn’t an incel…and it is so interesting that you took that opportunity to try and obscure and reduce the harm that incel culture causes to justify making fun of some cringe. I wonder why that’d be. The queer comment was also just straight up bigoted again, we all know that isn’t comparable and it’s once again telling that you think it is. Oh, is it worse to be weird than an actual fascist? Strange.
I see you dude, not because I’m a mind reader or whatever you wanna pretend, but because you’re saying things that reveal fundamental values and it’s obvious you didn’t realize that.
It is kind of crazy to see how many of you think you’re using some kind of common sense. You guys hate it when people can read your values from your words, it seems like many of you find comfort in the notion that knowing people perceive it as bad allows you to hide the fact that you don’t actually challenge bigoted values in yourself.
This commenter went on to use this example to pretend incels are like cringey shippers, and that should tell you everything about their values. It’s not “jumping to conclusions,” when it’s just deduction.
My first paragraph in reply was in reference to you patting yourself on the back for never having a cruel thought. I admit, I should have clarified rather than jumping into vitriol.
Do you genuinely not understand why someone would search for exceedingly harmful words for a person trying something this creepy? I feel like I need to understand that before I can begin to understand anything else you’ve said.
And I recognize my long road. My first comment was actively chiding me. This is like going to AA and going “I think these people are addicts.”
It is honestly so difficult to explain to people like this that they’re being harmful even when they recognize one element of that harm and take it as the endpoint. You just compared this to an online cultural space that literally advocates for and has facilitated dozens of mass murders under the premise of misogyny and aggrieved entitlement. Maybe if those things are comparable to you, you aren’t the right person to be talking about it, and presuming you are is exactly what the issue is.
If you call someone an asshole, that is not the same thing as calling them a slur, and either choice represents different kinds of people. It is not that you were a big stinky meanie, but that the beliefs behind these words are fundamentally bigoted. Yes, fucking lolcow culture that enabled the mass harassment of disabled people, often younger, sometimes even to the point of suicide, is not a suitable thing to refer to some person being weird about something you find gross. Even if you look at this as harassment, comparing it to fascist terrorists only serves to obscure the specificity and ideology of that culture and its very real politics as well as the hundreds of people who have been killed because of it (and that’s without even addressing how this culture is directly linked to the current popularity of fascist politics in the US, then we’re really talking about a mass scale of suffering you think is trivial).
So, why would a person who openly admitted to participating in exceptionally cruel group behaviour then take an opportunity to do something like that? hmmmmmm.🤔
But sure, totally dude, you feel super bad about it and rib yourself for it, so that makes it okay to still believe in. You can tell this site is mostly men because of exactly shit like this, where you clearly have empathy for only one group involved in this violence, and it isn’t the victims.
I feel I need to begin by telling you that you do not understand what an incel is, if this behavior doesn’t tick any boxes. Tertiary and quaternary sources offered you an incomplete picture, to the point that I don’t know where to offer information. You will have to ask questions to fill in your blanks.
Lolcow is a slur?? I didn’t perceive it that way, which is where the misunderstanding began. I can absolutely see how you’d take what I wrote differently based upon that distinction, and I’ll avoid using the term in that way in the future. I appreciate you clarifying that for me. To me, it was the same as shorthand describing them as maladaptive and easily baited, as that was the contemporaneous definition. I’m not going to excuse it, that was my mistake.
I don’t believe it would be productive to speak on anything in your last two paragraphs, as there are clearly misunderstandings, whether you recognize them or not.
I’m sure every criticism feels like a misunderstanding to you. Common trope of abusers too, go figure, wonder if that’s related.
Just also, “maladaptive,” after pretending to not understand the ableist connotations this whole time is just the cherry on top. Again, I see you dude.
I believe they took offense, leading them to act uncharacteristically. I firmly believe that they are a good person. Weighing someone unaccustomed to being in the middle of an argument, while they feel unsafe, certainly isn’t fair to them.
And make no mistake, 9999 times out of 10000, they’d be right to take some amount of offense. Their chosen verbiage just triggered a landmine.
But thank you, it’s kind of you to affirm that I’m not 200% dead puppies all the time!
It’s completely in character for me to challenge fascists when I see them. You people seriously have to develop a more nuanced understanding of yourselves. Just because you know something is wrong without knowing why, doesnt mean you’ve stopped doing the wrong thing. Good people aren’t just people who are lucky enough to not make bad decisions, it’s about fostering the discipline and accountability to interrogate your actions and challenge their underlying harmful values; you clearly have not done that work.
Considering the circumstances in which the term was originally coined
The Original lolcow is Chris Chan, who was baited dozens of times by trolls into doing ridiculous things on camera at 4chan in the /cow/ board.
Thus, the term lolcow.
Which means that people who find baiting “lolcows” funny are 4chan types by default. Therefore, unless the context tells me otherwise, just uttering the term is a ginormous red flag for me.
Bud, just because it sometimes happens to bad people, doesn’t mean it is not wrong to reproduce cultural norms that target vulnerable groups of people. “Lolcow” was used to refer to autistic people online pretty much exclusively, and the cruel culture behind it has literally resulted in multiple suicides of completely innocent if unpalletable people. This commenter went on to say actual fascist shit to defend this, and that isn’t a coincidence.
You can tell the demos of this site based on shit like this. Yeah, I’m sure a bunch of you were edgy teen boys and you want to pretend that was okay (or even natural) because you were kids and “didnt know better,” but subscribing to bigotry as an adult clearly shows that you don’t understand why it was wrong, just that it was wrong.
The Original lolcow is Chris Chan, who was baited dozens of times by trolls into doing ridiculous things on camera at 4chan in the /cow/ board.
Thus, the term lolcow.
There’s a stark difference between accountability and what you’re doing, which is insisting that no one ever gets to improve their behaviour or learn from their mistakes. That doesn’t make a better world, it makes the worst possible one.
If people can only ever be as good as the worst thing they’ve done, then why should anyone ever aspire to be anything better than the worst possible version of themselves?
I think you should go tell a therapist that your reading of “you have to work at being vulnerable to change, and superficial improvement isn’t enough” was “nobody can change.”
“We.” Always a red flag when someone admits to participating in lolcow shit; buncha chuds bullying autistic kids online.
Edit: hey, all you chuds who are getting mad about this comment, you’re not fooling anyone either, it’s just other chuds telling you that you’ve done enough. “Edgy” isn’t the same as bullying people to suicide because they’re weird, that isn’t normal teen behaviour, it comes from internalized values that you will still hold unless you actually address what you believe and why; just not bullying people online anymore isn’t the same thing as learning to be better.
The human brain doesn’t fully develop until the mid twenties, and empathy is one of the last things that fully develops. So the nihilistic online edge lord culture is one you can genuinely age out of.
That’s not true at all. If you didn’t develop empathy in preschool and have fully developed sense of empathy by middle to high school, you had some serious developmental issues or were raised in a bad environment.
That doesn’t mean middle and high school kids can’t be mean. That cruelty can’t be excused by undeveloped empathy. In fact, they most certainly know how the person feels and are intentionally making them feel bad.
I said it doesn’t develop fully until adulthood. Not that it isn’t there at all until then.
And I’m saying it fully develops before adulthood. Usually, somewhere around 12 years old.
Before puberty?
Yeah, and the skills keep developing but by then they should be able to see things from another person’s perspective.
Those are not facts, but complete bullshit, and I think you know that. Unless you’re citing sociology of course where everything is facts if you feel like it is.
Both of those things are wrong. You should look up what the actual study on brain maturity concluded instead of regurgitating factoids online.
The factoids might be wrong but the conclusion isn’t. Most edgelords age out it
I honestly haven’t seen evidence of that, most of them certainly learn that the behaviour is looked down upon and may feel guilt over it, that isn’t the same thing as growing out of it. There’s a very large number of people whose morality is oriented around whether or not they’re caught, not honest, vulnerable interrogation of themselves and committing to change.
You’re talking to at least two former edgelords and the one typing now did a complete 180 at 18.
I was a weird kid in the 90s in a predominantly white/Catholic town where bigotry was the norm. I wasn’t into the god stuff which made me an outcast in my community and home life wasn’t very welcoming, either. I had unfiltered internet access and found a community who accepted me. And having no one to tell my otherwise, I thought their behavior was fine.
Ironically, that same lack of parental oversight saved my life because I decided to go to art school.
First time meeting a black person. Wow, they’re just like me. First time hanging out with gay people. Wow, they’re not trying to fuck me? Freshman year, I learned that everything I knew was wrong. And now I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m on an antifa watch list.
So what do you call it when someone learns their opinions are wrong and changes? What is developing emotional maturity through experience if not “growing out of it?”
What a depressing state of mind you must live in to think that people are only capable of changing for the worse.
Oh well, if an anonymous stranger online says that their own personal experience says so 🤷♀️
Again, a lot of you are troubled by the idea that morality isn’t as simple as just not doing the bad thing. I live in a much more optimistic world than the one you just portrayed.
Its obvious when you guys are making excuses for yourselves and passing it off as some act of empathy or understanding. That’s also just false, btw, and I never wanted to hurt vulnerable people even when I was young.
You’re really interesting.
I know.
It can develop earlier if you guide them
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I hear you but for me in my early 20s I was on IRC getting drunk and high trying to bang chicks. When did we lose the plot? Lol
I think you underestimate how long the term has been around, and I’ve hidden nothing. I accept the shitty person I was. Have you confronted your deficiencies as a human being?
I know how long the term has been around bud, we haven’t even had this internet shit fifty years for fuck’s sake. If you accept the shitty person you “were,” why did you just produce a cruel estimation of some other person online just because you found their behaviour cringe again? This is the kind of “acceptance” people adopt when they feel guilt but don’t want to change. It’s also so telling to write off actual malice and cruelty in such a fundamental way as “well we all do had things.” No, I’ve never had the inclination to treat a vulnerable person badly, go figure.
And lol, lmao, yes. Which is how I can see straight through this kind of bullshit.
I want to congratulate you for having a normal upbringing, then. I’m not going to offer anything identifying, because I’m not an idiot, but I grew up surrounded by corpses and continued to develop elsewhere in a state of nihilism and rage bred by a family, myself included, in the throes of constantly triggered ptsd. You do not understand enough to judge an internet stranger by their arbitrary admissions. Your scope of understanding is limited by the offense you’ve taken and your frame of reference.
And It’s not just “cringe.” It’s an extreme social trespass and transgression to, and follow me on this, tell someone to break up with their partner because of an llm’s estimation of your desires. Whether satire or not, this person fits within the fringe groups. I’d otherwise call them an incel, but they seem particularly unhinged. Which pejorative do you prefer for a person who parasocially adheres to someone and decides upon their future? This is like defending pedophiles under the umbrella of lgbtq.
I’m glad you’re a better person now.
Same. For my sake and everyone else’s. The world needs broken people like a slug needs salt.
Some taste bland without it
They aren’t.
Bud, I am not the person to use some sob story to justify cruelty, I know it doesn’t. It may explain it, but you’re using that to rationalize it. The fact you once again just resorted to “you’re too sensitive,” as a fucking excuse for yourself it another good s indicator that no, you haven’t addressed the issue.
This also isn’t an incel…and it is so interesting that you took that opportunity to try and obscure and reduce the harm that incel culture causes to justify making fun of some cringe. I wonder why that’d be. The queer comment was also just straight up bigoted again, we all know that isn’t comparable and it’s once again telling that you think it is. Oh, is it worse to be weird than an actual fascist? Strange.
I see you dude, not because I’m a mind reader or whatever you wanna pretend, but because you’re saying things that reveal fundamental values and it’s obvious you didn’t realize that.
Why aren’t you upset that the VA put this person on blast by posting the screenshot instead of offering their personal support?
Is it because this kind of behavior is incredibly fuckin creepy and shouldn’t be coddled in any way?
And why doesn’t it come into play that this delusional weirdo is causing very real emotional distress to the VA?
Oh that’s simple, because that isnt what I’m talking about. Reread the first comment I made.
The one where you jumped to conclusions after someone correctly pointed out that this behavior would result in bullying in the 2000s?
It is kind of crazy to see how many of you think you’re using some kind of common sense. You guys hate it when people can read your values from your words, it seems like many of you find comfort in the notion that knowing people perceive it as bad allows you to hide the fact that you don’t actually challenge bigoted values in yourself.
This commenter went on to use this example to pretend incels are like cringey shippers, and that should tell you everything about their values. It’s not “jumping to conclusions,” when it’s just deduction.
My first paragraph in reply was in reference to you patting yourself on the back for never having a cruel thought. I admit, I should have clarified rather than jumping into vitriol.
Do you genuinely not understand why someone would search for exceedingly harmful words for a person trying something this creepy? I feel like I need to understand that before I can begin to understand anything else you’ve said.
And I recognize my long road. My first comment was actively chiding me. This is like going to AA and going “I think these people are addicts.”
It is honestly so difficult to explain to people like this that they’re being harmful even when they recognize one element of that harm and take it as the endpoint. You just compared this to an online cultural space that literally advocates for and has facilitated dozens of mass murders under the premise of misogyny and aggrieved entitlement. Maybe if those things are comparable to you, you aren’t the right person to be talking about it, and presuming you are is exactly what the issue is.
If you call someone an asshole, that is not the same thing as calling them a slur, and either choice represents different kinds of people. It is not that you were a big stinky meanie, but that the beliefs behind these words are fundamentally bigoted. Yes, fucking lolcow culture that enabled the mass harassment of disabled people, often younger, sometimes even to the point of suicide, is not a suitable thing to refer to some person being weird about something you find gross. Even if you look at this as harassment, comparing it to fascist terrorists only serves to obscure the specificity and ideology of that culture and its very real politics as well as the hundreds of people who have been killed because of it (and that’s without even addressing how this culture is directly linked to the current popularity of fascist politics in the US, then we’re really talking about a mass scale of suffering you think is trivial).
So, why would a person who openly admitted to participating in exceptionally cruel group behaviour then take an opportunity to do something like that? hmmmmmm.🤔
But sure, totally dude, you feel super bad about it and rib yourself for it, so that makes it okay to still believe in. You can tell this site is mostly men because of exactly shit like this, where you clearly have empathy for only one group involved in this violence, and it isn’t the victims.
I feel I need to begin by telling you that you do not understand what an incel is, if this behavior doesn’t tick any boxes. Tertiary and quaternary sources offered you an incomplete picture, to the point that I don’t know where to offer information. You will have to ask questions to fill in your blanks.
Lolcow is a slur?? I didn’t perceive it that way, which is where the misunderstanding began. I can absolutely see how you’d take what I wrote differently based upon that distinction, and I’ll avoid using the term in that way in the future. I appreciate you clarifying that for me. To me, it was the same as shorthand describing them as maladaptive and easily baited, as that was the contemporaneous definition. I’m not going to excuse it, that was my mistake.
I don’t believe it would be productive to speak on anything in your last two paragraphs, as there are clearly misunderstandings, whether you recognize them or not.
I’m sure every criticism feels like a misunderstanding to you. Common trope of abusers too, go figure, wonder if that’s related.
Just also, “maladaptive,” after pretending to not understand the ableist connotations this whole time is just the cherry on top. Again, I see you dude.
Foreshadowing: they have not.
Sounds to me you’re now a better person than you were; be proud of that ^_^
I believe they took offense, leading them to act uncharacteristically. I firmly believe that they are a good person. Weighing someone unaccustomed to being in the middle of an argument, while they feel unsafe, certainly isn’t fair to them.
And make no mistake, 9999 times out of 10000, they’d be right to take some amount of offense. Their chosen verbiage just triggered a landmine.
But thank you, it’s kind of you to affirm that I’m not 200% dead puppies all the time!
Dead puppies aren’t much fun.
They certainly aren’t. :(
It’s completely in character for me to challenge fascists when I see them. You people seriously have to develop a more nuanced understanding of yourselves. Just because you know something is wrong without knowing why, doesnt mean you’ve stopped doing the wrong thing. Good people aren’t just people who are lucky enough to not make bad decisions, it’s about fostering the discipline and accountability to interrogate your actions and challenge their underlying harmful values; you clearly have not done that work.
God you guys are so masturbatory.
Whatever gets you off mate.
No judgement on your kinks here.
Piratesoftware is a lolcow
And?
Calling someone a lolcow is not a wrong thing per se.
Considering the circumstances in which the term was originally coined, i don’t think so.
The Original lolcow is Chris Chan, who was baited dozens of times by trolls into doing ridiculous things on camera at 4chan in the /cow/ board.
Thus, the term lolcow.
Which means that people who find baiting “lolcows” funny are 4chan types by default. Therefore, unless the context tells me otherwise, just uttering the term is a ginormous red flag for me.
That also casts a doubt in your claim of the term coinage.
How? What is your line of reasoning here?
Now you suddenly care not only about the origin of the term, but about context also?
Bud, just because it sometimes happens to bad people, doesn’t mean it is not wrong to reproduce cultural norms that target vulnerable groups of people. “Lolcow” was used to refer to autistic people online pretty much exclusively, and the cruel culture behind it has literally resulted in multiple suicides of completely innocent if unpalletable people. This commenter went on to say actual fascist shit to defend this, and that isn’t a coincidence.
You can tell the demos of this site based on shit like this. Yeah, I’m sure a bunch of you were edgy teen boys and you want to pretend that was okay (or even natural) because you were kids and “didnt know better,” but subscribing to bigotry as an adult clearly shows that you don’t understand why it was wrong, just that it was wrong.
The Original lolcow is Chris Chan, who was baited dozens of times by trolls into doing ridiculous things on camera at 4chan in the /cow/ board.
Thus, the term lolcow.
Are you patronising?
Even if just colloquially.
There’s a stark difference between accountability and what you’re doing, which is insisting that no one ever gets to improve their behaviour or learn from their mistakes. That doesn’t make a better world, it makes the worst possible one.
If people can only ever be as good as the worst thing they’ve done, then why should anyone ever aspire to be anything better than the worst possible version of themselves?
I think you should go tell a therapist that your reading of “you have to work at being vulnerable to change, and superficial improvement isn’t enough” was “nobody can change.”
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That came off as kinda desperate, ngl. If you didnt realize it, then just use it, you don’t gotta do this whole thing to safe face to strangers.
Well said