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People get hilariously upset when you point out that sucking absolute arse at something is not a class issue nor a disability.
Isn’t it? A physically disabled person might suck absolute arse at walking, I suck absolute arse at drawing. I will never get good at it, either - I went through 9 years of art class in school and in 9th grade my drawings weren’t much better than 1st. Might as well consider it a mental disability at this point. Okay, technically I DO have a mental disability, it’s called ADHD, and it makes learning some skills so difficult I wonder how anyone can do these things, while others are a breeze to the point where I wonder how other people don’t manage as easily as I do. Yes, I see the irony.
For a while, I’ve wanted to make a few video games. I’ve actually got three in mind. I’d like to make one 3D game, one fast-paced side-scrolling platformer and one tiled top-down game. For each, I have a vision of how to make them fun (hopefully) and differentiate from a lot of existing games. But I can’t do it because I have no art skills and I can’t afford to pay an artist for the sheer amount of work it would take to produce all the assets for a full game. I am also not going to approach someone and say “Heeeeeeey wanna put in a bunch of work for nothing but a share in the proceeds from a game that may never make 20 bucks?” So my best bet, really, is to focus on either of the 2D games, have AI help me out with the art (which may well be quite difficult if I want to keep a consistent style) and then on the 0.000000001% chance that it’s commercially successful, I can commission art for the next game, or on the 0.00000000000000000001% chance that it’s very successful, hire a full time artist or two.
Note that I haven’t done it, but it’s something I’ve considered.
The ability to create art to a saleable level is not considered a human norm though. I can’t draw either - this is’t a disability, nor should it be classified as such, no matter how much you really really wish you could. Doing so really grates me the wrong way, it’s a self-involved co-option of the struggles people who live with impairment face every second in a society that’s not designed to accomodate them
To be clear, I can’t create art to a middle school passing grade level. Like there’s a chance I could’ve failed a year of middle school if I hadn’t started bribing classmates to occasionally help with my drawings for me at some point in 7th or 8th grade. My ability to draw, even by grade 9, just never improved to the level most of my peers had reached by grade 2 or 3 lol
Not for a lack of trying either. 9 years of something like 32 weeks of school per year, 2 art classes of 45 minutes per week on average, adds up to 432 hours of practice that was mostly drawing or painting (if you can call it that, using either watercolors or guache usually), only occasionally stuff like ceramics. Let’s say 400 hours of drawing or painting. And I mean this is before you consider that I actually liked drawing up until some point and did it at home too - including before I ever started school. And also at preschool where I went for a year. Of course the only two things I ever drew were tractors and houses - because those had lots of straight lines. I imagine 4 year old me must’ve been very proud of them.
Starting grade 10 we had art history class instead. I memorized what needed to be memorized and got passing grades every time.
As you can probably tell, this is something I’m really salty about. Between art and music, my average grades in middle school were brought down just enough that I didn’t usually make the equivalent of honor roll that we had here. Yes, I also suck at singing and unfortunately we did get graded on our singing too. However, while my singing skill is probably in like the bottom 10% of skill level, my drawing is somewhere in the bottom 0.1%
It’s also why I hate the proverb “practice makes perfect” and much prefer the locally sourced alternative that translates to “practice makes you someone that practices a lot”. Clearly practice doesn’t make you very good if you were never dealt the cards. Practice what you’re already naturally good at and you’ll be great. Practice what you naturally suck at and maybe you’ll be mediocre. Which is sometimes necessary, if we’re talking about life skills for an example - better mediocre than nothing
So you’re basically complaining about…not being exceptional?
That is still not a disability
I literally said I’m exceptionally bad. Like to the level that the average kindergartener is better than me.
Actually you’ve been saying you’ve repeatedly tried to get into something you unfortunately have no aptitude for, resorted to cheating it in high school, and are salty about lacking the skills.
It’s still not a disability.
Middle school, not high school and I had to cheat because it was mandatory to be able to do it and I was not. It seems your reading comprehension is on par with my art skills.
No.
An inability to function as per the human “norm” is a disability. I don"t suck at walking, i have a degenerative muscular disease that affect my legs.
What i do suck at is knitting.
But do you think you would improve over several years of practicing knitting a couple of times a week? Would you be able to outperform a kindergartener? If yes, I don’t think it works for this analogy.
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It’s not about accessibility moneywise - it’s accessibility skillwise. Many people do not want to put any effort into learning a new skill, so asking AI to do it for them is just way more convenient and “accessible”.
This is part of a large shift in society where “failure” is seen as something extremely negative. You either do something and are immediately good at it, or you should just stop altogether.
You either do something and are immediately good at it, or you should just stop altogether.
I bet this line speaks to a lot of fellow lemmings who are middle aged nerds with ADHD and were “gifted” in school.
Many people do not want to put any effort into learning a new skill, so asking AI to do it for them is just way more convenient and “accessible”.
…and then they flood the internet with their garbage zero-effort slop.
I agree with the first part, but I think the second part is unsubstantiated.
I don’t think it is - but there are no studies to confirm that either afaik.
I agree with you. I don’t think it’s failure so much as this unwillingness to accept I can’t do something. We have generations of people who want it and want it now, and AI scratches the itch in that regard. I say this as a millennial, I’m 37, and it’s certainly true of my generation, and I find it to be true of all the generations after me.
I don’t know if it’s good or bad. I certainly know why I think it’s bad, the whole delayed gratification, entitlement, etc., but I’m sure access to information, ability to express ideas, and whatnot, are good things too.
And I’ll just indicate I have a personal anti-AI bias. Maybe I’m too lazy to use it, maybe I have some other rationale in my subconscious, but that’s where I come from.
What they mean by that is that they have no artistic ability and no interest in learning anything about how to actually make art, they just want a product to spec for free.
The part I hate most is the “$800 phone” part. At least get a proper PC where you’ve got a fighting chance at being able to create stuff instead of a smartphone/tablet with an interface designed purely to consume, damn it!
I can do some pixelart on my S23 Ultra, and even sketch some ideas down in work.
The main thing here is that image generation trough an llm doesn’t even count as creating.
Asking is not creating. In these systems people ask an llm to use a genai tool, the people never actually touch the tool themselves. (They wont even allow it lol)
Thats why ComfyUi with stable diffusion and not chatgpt is the standard for serious art work using ai.
They are fully open source, offline and they don’t require any more energy then playing a video game.
Also workflows look like this, more accessible means a different set of skills can now get you similar results. But it is still skill.
you indeed dont need to know how to hold a pencil to build that.
(Also there are more and more models exclusively trained with artist consent)
So yes, ai does make art more accessible to a small group of technical people. Most people know no one in this group.
I think it seems to usually be more about disabled people, who ai bros tend to consider either too stupid or physically unable to make real art, which is bullshit. There are amputees painting with their feet, who knows how many artists who have prosthetic hands or chronic pain. And don’t even get me started on mentally disabled people.
I’m sure all disabled people love hearing “Oh this other disabled guy showed extraordinary willpower and overcame his disability against all odds why can’t you”
Gotta say, most disabled people i know - myself included - would happily hold AI underwater until the bubbles stop
The game Katawa Shoujo, which was actually made by a cooperation between people who were on 4chan, depicts amputees and disabled folk, one of which is an artist which draws with her feet, with many of them having traumatic experiences that you hear of as you get to know of them more personally
It’s good. I like it.
This feels like it was drawn in one of those $200 drawing tablets
There’s someone close to me whose near entire existence is basically pain. They still draw.
They hate the idea that their works got sucked by billionaires into giant plagiarism machines that are enriching them further. Pro AI people and tech bros think they should just suck it up and start using fucking AI horde or something, despite the fact that this trend makes them sick and the proposed solutions don’t tackle real issues, but spread or ignore them.
One of my main gripes with GenAI is the tech industry’s usual disregard for consent. GenAI users saying we should get rid of it altogether doesn’t endear their ideal future to me. Saying the same thing as Sam Altman, but totally in a leftist way, just grosses me out.
Devils advocate here. There’s open source services that offers AI gen for free, as long as you have an internet connection.
So a potato phone could be used and that’s all that’s required.
-# Doesn’t make it more accessible than actual pen and paper but the gap is not that big either
I would argue that ‘free’ just means the cost is hidden and you might end up paying it anyway through the societal effects that the energy demands of LLMs cause. That is, there’s a cost and it will make it back to you somehow or other because that’s how tech oligarchy works.
Llms arent the same ai as image gen though.
Your thinking of ChatGPT like services.
StableDiffusion on al old laptop will take less energy then a modern game, maybe slightly more then a digital painting software.
Its also fully open source and offline, you can check the code if you want.
Definitely. But the point here is the accessiblity. If you gotta argue about the accessiblity you gotta set the record straight on both sides
I’m pretty against AI. I just like my facts corrects
Internet connection already stops a lot of people
I never spent any money on AI. Use locally run open source models.
Doesn’t that require a load of computer power? My computer could start a house fire opening a PDF.
Depends on your hardware (such as your graphics card). But it’s definitely possible and a lot of people do it.
no. probably less power than to boil a cup of water
I’ve always been sketchy about the energy requirements argument. It’s not like artists don’t take a lot of energy to create their work. If you hire someone to spend all day making a painting for you, you’re may be talking a day’s worth of first world-level energy consumption.
Sure but that person doesn’t stop existing if you don’t hire them. A GPU would otherwise consume no energy.
This post isn’t accessible. Dont post pictures of text without transcribing it
$30 a month so far, will be a lot more if their plan of forcing artists out works out.
Accessible to Capital.
Wow. Luddites got together and made a whole sub to bitch about technology.
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I love lamp.
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Based and redpilled
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